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Not so nice neighborhood.
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Not so nice neighborhood.
Without going back over 144 postings, I am going to suggest people go to:
http://miopencarry.org/moc_files/why_open_carry.pdf
and read with an open mind.
Also one might want to google: open carry deterrent to crime
You will find a lot of good information in the links that will come up.
Even I am impressed with some of the stuff I found by using google.
Another open carry being a deterrent
http://packinginnova.blogspot.com/2006/12/open-carry-deters-bank-robbery.html
http://miopencarry.org/moc_files/why_open_carry.pdf
and read with an open mind.
Also one might want to google: open carry deterrent to crime
You will find a lot of good information in the links that will come up.
Even I am impressed with some of the stuff I found by using google.
Another open carry being a deterrent
http://packinginnova.blogspot.com/2006/12/open-carry-deters-bank-robbery.html
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Oldman, I won't ever change my mind about open carry.
However, I think you brought up something about geographic locations were open carry might be more acceptable. I think you have a good point.
Up here in the Seattle area, the land of latte's, craft beer, and tree huggers, open carry is not welcome.
Mind you, I'm not afraid to open carry and I fully understand the reasons why people do even though I don't agree.
Maybe if I lived in your neck of the woods things would be different.
However, I think you brought up something about geographic locations were open carry might be more acceptable. I think you have a good point.
Up here in the Seattle area, the land of latte's, craft beer, and tree huggers, open carry is not welcome.
Mind you, I'm not afraid to open carry and I fully understand the reasons why people do even though I don't agree.
Maybe if I lived in your neck of the woods things would be different.
Bob R
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I would have to take umbrage with that statement. Perhaps open carry is not welcomed by you, but I wouldn't say that it is not welcome in all of Seattle.
I could probably find several pictures of people OCing in Seattle with the police in the background not caring about it, or would a pic of Rob McKenna flanked by two people who are OCing be more convincing?
The wet side is one of the more active places for OC in the country. Washington as a whole is probably nearly as active as Virginia when it comes to OC and being active in preserving the right to OC.
Read through this, see where people are open carrying in Seattle and the rest of the wet side. It is more common than you would like to believe.
Washington
I have done this OC dance with you before and am not doing it anymore. I know that nothing will change your mind about it so I won't even try.
One thing to remember though, we are all on the same side whether we OC, CC or not carry at all. We all believe that the Second Amendment means what it says and in some states we have the legal right to OC without any special permission (WA being one of them).
bob
Bob, if your not trying to change my mind then why post in the first place?
You and many others have tried to change my mind and I've yet to hear a convincing arguement. It's always about rights. Just because it's a legal right means that it's the right thing to do.
So far all I can say is that OC seems to be a "personal agenda" type of thing.
And I don't believe we are on the same side. Have you bothered to read any of my previous posts?
And as far as looking around at who's doing it locally, why in the world would I care? I get around quite a bit and I don't see them. Are they tactically invisible?
Maybe I haven't met the right people that OC. But every single person that I have talked to that open carried had a chip on thier shoulder. When I asked why, I got baloney.
Answer this if you care to. Why is it that most people that carry a gun carry concealed? And why is it that most of them disagree with open carry?
Is it us? Or is it that the open carry movement hasn't done a very good job of educating us and it's followers?
Or does the open carry movement care? Do they care about what some of us think? Do they care about what the anti gunners think?
If the open carry movement can't convince concealed carriers then how are they ever going to convince anti gunners?
So far the most common answer I get is "because I can" or it's my right".
Well yes you can and it is your right. But it's not a very convincing statement.
Like I said before, open carry is just that, a statement. Nothing more.
Sorry we disagree Bob. But hey, it could be worse!
Answer this if you care to. Why is it that most people that carry a gun carry concealed? And why is it that most of them disagree with open carry?
Is it us? Or is it that the open carry movement hasn't done a very good job of educating us and it's followers?
Or does the open carry movement care? Do they care about what some of us think? Do they care about what the anti gunners think?
If the open carry movement can't convince concealed carriers then how are they ever going to convince anti gunners?
So far the most common answer I get is "because I can" or it's my right".
Well yes you can and it is your right. But it's not a very convincing statement.
Like I said before, open carry is just that, a statement. Nothing more.
Sorry we disagree Bob. But hey, it could be worse!
This may be Bob's fight but I can assure you, not as many people carry concealed as open. Because someone gets a permit to do so does not mean they will do so. Most of the attorneys I work with have concealed carry permits. Less than half of those carry often and a few have never carried but just have the permit in the event they decide to do so. I see no reason this would be different in other states.
Texas residents put up a heavy fight for open carry for several years. There were thousands wanting it and signing petitions to get open carry. When it hits the legislature, it either is not passed or not signed by a semi anti gun governor. As large as TX and as pro gun as TX is, their amount of carry permits issued is very low vs population. The amount of members in the Texas Open Carry group is more than the permittess.
I think you are a good man and I am still greatfull for the help you recently rendered. Yet I feel you have a mindset against open carry and have not really researched it. Open carry is very popular but I will admit also very confusing. Most states have had open carry longer than they have allowed concealed carry.
FWIW: I will be in Baton Rouge later this week and will be meeting with those that oversee the state concealed carry permits. Many things will like be discussed but one thing I will certainly bring up is why it takes 30 minutes to get a county permit approved and over 90 days to get a state permit approved when there is not that many applying for permits. Open carry is a non hassle way of carrying and, if you would google it, actually does deter crime.
I am sure we would enjoy living next door to each other and if we did, you would soon be using open carry. There are times I do conceal carry but they are seldom and the law here changes with concealed carry. I can go more places when I carry openly than I can when carrying concealed.
bk43
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Mike, the whole state of Louisiana is a "not so nice" neighborhood. Years ago, when I lived there, the whole state was wonderful. Sadly, over the years, the good has been driven into little pockets here and there and the rest is a battle zone. There's a lot more involved than open carry here but anyone who thinks they are safe most places in Louisiana because they are open carrying is not being realistic.
Bob
I would disagree with that statement. I will say that there are cities in LA that I would not live in. There are also many areas where crime is low to non existent. Few of the honest, working people are victims of crime. Most of the crime, is as you said, in pockets here and there, but most of the state is in great shape.. Many large compannies are leaving other states to locate here. The film industy is thriving here. The medical field is booming and we have some of the best medical research being done in LA than any where else in the world. The bad thing about LA is the political machine as it is extremely corrupt. Our insurance rates here are the highest in the nation and the public educational system is at best, very poor. All of my children went to private schools and colleges. Louisiana is a great place to vacation or live if you are selective about where you live.
Yes, there are some factors that account for the low life areas but it all boils down to politics.
cshoff
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Bob, if your not trying to change my mind then why post in the first place?
What more "convincing" do you need other than the fact that people have a right to do it? Unless you feel that you should be the arbiter of when and how people exercise those rights, then you shouldn't require any "mind changing". In addition, I find it highly unlikely that a "convincing argument" would ever change your mind anyway, because you believe your OPINION to be fact.
Yeah, like that pesky free speech thing, or those nasty old 4th Amendment rights most of us are fond of. It would probably be much better if we went to a "speech permit" system whereby people had to complete a training course and then get a permission slip from the government before they are allowed to "freely" speak their minds. And while we're at it, we might as well allow the government to take a peak in our homes, without a warrant or probable cause, whenever they take a notion to.
Again, sir, your OPINION is not fact.
For some it is. For some, it's the only form of carry allowed (see California). For some, it's an economic issue (can't afford mandated training and licensing requirements required for a CCW permit). Regardless, it's really none of your business why people lawfully exercise their rights in a manner they choose.
So you are NOT for the free exercise of rights? Or is it just the rights that you don't happen to agree with?
Probably has more to do with the fact that, like most other human beings walking this planet, you simply aren't observant or aware enough to notice. Just because YOU don't see something happening, doesn't mean it's not happening.
I'm sure that had NOTHING to do with your poor attitude towards open carry. There is a general tendency for human beings to give back what they get. From the sounds of things, I would guess that the "bad mojo" started from your end.
Because in the majority of states, open carry is either prohibited or restricted to the point that it is difficult to do it and be in compliance with the law. But it's really irrelevant what "most" people do or don't do anyway. Our Bill of Rights wasn't written to protect popular opinion. On the contrary, it was written to protect UNPOPULAR opinions.
They do? Got any valid data to back that up? Or is that another case of you confusing your opinion with fact?
I'm not sure what makes you think that people lawfully exercising their rights have any obligation to educate you?
I'm not sure why they should? Your opinion doesn't really count for much when it comes to me exercising my rights as I see fit. Frankly, I don't really care if you approve or not. And I certainly don't care what anti-gunners think.
What do you need "convinced" of? That your opinion is of a anti-freedom, anti-personal responsibility nature?
Again I ask, what more convincing should you need? Unless you disagree with the free exercise of rights, then it shouldn't be an issue for you.
And I pointed out the fallacy in that line of thinking above. Your OPINION is not fact. It is OPINION.
Sorry we disagree Bob. But hey, it could be worse!
Well, at least we live in a country that, so far, has not restricted our right to disagree. But maybe next year, we can implement some kind of permit process for that..........
Lived in Ohio practically all my life. Been in Columbus since 1977. I have never seen a citizen OC a handgun except at gun stores and ranges. Shotguns and rifles are a different story. See them all the time in rural areas, usually in truck gun racks. Never saw a citizen walking down the street with either a handgun or a long gun. Ever. And I am a very observant individual.
I think the folks that live there probably would have to save up to be poor....
John
Are you kidding? I have worked five shootings in the last 2 yrs in those houses and during a drug raid in one of them, there were drugs, four guns and $11,000 in cash seized.
I am too poor to have $11,000 in cash inside my house.
Okay, for the 2A and Open Carry folks, would it be alright for a 13 yoa honor student who is an American citizen (without question) to "open carry" a gun in New Orleans?
Not trying to start a fight; simply asking of those who suggest both are okay...without question.
Be safe.
Not trying to start a fight; simply asking of those who suggest both are okay...without question.
Be safe.
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No it would not. It would be against the law. A minor of that age cannot possess a handgun. An 18 yr old can wear one but not buy one, nor can they obtain a concealed permit.
A lot of competitive shooters are very young and I enjoy seeing them shoot. They just have to be accompanied by their parents.
cshoff
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I'm not sure what the laws in LA are, but here in MO, 18 and older can purchase handguns from private sales (not through an FFL). In addition, the state of Maine issues CCW permits to those 18 and older, provided they meet the other requirements. In MO, we recognize ANY permit issued by any other state. An 18 year old can legally carry a concealed firearm here on a Maine permit.
In addition, we have no age requirement here on OC. If you can legally possess it, then you can legally open carry it (where it's not prohibited by local ordinance).
mkk41
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So just what does being an 'honor student' have to do with anything?
cshoff
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Minors have always been subject to the authority of their parents. In my house, for example, when my son was a youngster, he only had the rights I said he had. Freedom of speech was allowed as long as his speech remained respectful. His right to "bear arms" was not infringed when I allowed it to not be infringed (on the range and in the woods, when I was present). As he got older, of course, he started getting more leeway to exercise with less restriction. And when he moved out, after he was 18, he was able to exercise his rights just like you or me.
I'm not sure who, in this thread, made the claim that a juvenile should be allowed to open carry a firearm down the streets of New Orleans, but it almost seems as if you are trying to set up a strawman with your question.
mkk41
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Can you open carry in Maryland?
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