Opinions on triggers

[GhostMutt]

Hi Guys and Gals,

I have been reading a lot of threads recently about triggers and I am just wondering what you guys have and are running in your 15-22's....I have factory trigger, with JP springs and get what I would consider a consistent clean trigger break with very little issues (mainly ammo related or a really dirty bolt face after a long range session).

Seeing as my next 'big' mod to the 15-22 will be a new trigger I am sounding out what you guys run and what you feel the advantages are. I enter my 15-22 into speed shooting comps, steel and turning targets, so a FCG that excels in this field is what I am seeking.

So far I am considering the Hipertouch 24C, but am interested to hear about CMC, Jard, Timney, Geisselle or any others you guys know about....here in the UK any accessory costs an arm and a leg so while I'm dreaming about it money is no option, (the Mrs thinks otherwise)

I guess I really want to know if dropping in an expensive trigger is going to drastically improve my experience with the 15-22, seeing as I am used to the factory trigger and have no real complaints...but also no comparison. Thanks in advance for the advice and opinions

Ben

 

[RedNeck Jim]

Ben, I run the CMC on both my 15-22s & my AR. I find the drop in module to be exceeding easy to install, even for an idiot like me. The trigger pull is light & crisp, so I have no complaints. It is nicer than my factory triggers but they weren't horrible by any means. I do find the CMC seems to have a very hard hammer strike, which is very important for 22lr. If I use good ammo, CCI or Norma, I have absolutely no failures at all... none. I have tried the Timney drop in trigger & it gave me all kinds of failures. So keep in mind, there is more at play here than trigger pull. Hammer strike is just as critical.

I'm sure there are speed triggers out there maybe better for competitive shooting, but I don't know as I just shoot for fun & training.

 

[cush]

Don't over look this one. I have been well pleased with it for quite some time.

http://www.brownells.com/rifle-part...national-match-2-stage-trigger-prod19696.aspx

 

[MostlyHarmless]

For precision shooting, (CMP/NRA small bore, high power, Appleseed, etc) a good two stage trigger can make a huge difference in your accuracy. My rifle has a RRA National Match 2 stage. It's a decent trigger (it feels much better than the factory trigger). I can't see spending Giessle money on a 15/22- but if I could, an SSA-E would be it.

On the other hand, in speed shooting type of events, gains from a new trigger can be much harder to see. Many speed shooters find that a single stage allows them to shoot faster- and that of course is what the factory trigger already is. Speed shooting is an activity that is less sensitive to trigger work than precision shooting. Obviously you can replace it with one that feels much better and is more fun to pull- but it's hard to say that you will see a noticeably improvement in your shooting for having done so.

If speed shooting was what I set my 15/22 up for, ALG's QMS is what I would put in. The cost savings I would put into ammo. And if you got lucky and your factory trigger isn't awful, I'm not even sure I'd bother with that.

 

[gotfish]

Just my $.02, but I originally added the JP Yellow springs and did the set screw modification to mine, and it was a pretty big improvement over the stock setup. It was lighter and more smooth than the Spike's Battle trigger that I had in a new 5.56 AR at the time. Especially with a couple thousand rounds of use on the 15-22.

Fast forward a couple years, and I've now tried most of the Geissele triggers in my other AR's. I have the High Speed National Match in my bench rifle, and it's absolutely amazing. I believe it's pretty damn close to perfection. It would be way too light for any type of rifle that might be carried. I have the SD-E in my 5.56 SBR and also in my 15-22, and I think they're pretty great there as well. Putting that in the 15-22 wasn't something that I necessarily set out to do, but you know how we end up with "extra" parts sometimes. Is it worth the $200+ to do this over the setup I had originally? I'd have to say probably not. But I'm leaving it in there and enjoying it for the foreseeable future.

 

[trebor127]

when first being here around 12 months ago .....i read what

was going into what

after reading Redneck jims posts on triggers i went with what

he has ......CMC in FDE and straight trigger......but you will

probably need something like the KNS anti walk pins, as you

will not have the spring ends in contact with the trigger pin

grooves, i ordered mine from America but took me close to 12

months to clear ITAR as no one had them here at the

time, now they are readily available here

CMC AR-15 TRIGGER GROUP UK | Suffolk Rifle Company

keith

 

[little_airwolf]

I have the timney 2.5lbs trigger. Couldnt be happier.
No travel and very crisp break.

 

[MrG5122]

The Geissele S3G is built for speed.

 

[MostlyHarmless]

If you are at all considering a Geissele or ALG trigger, this video is worth a watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypb5HXdDJhcHe of course talks about his own product lines, but he also gives good info on what makes certain designs of triggers good for specific applications.

 

[Majorlk]

I run a Jard single-stage adjustable in mine. I have a consistent 2 lb, 2 oz trigger pull.

Jards are one of the lesser known FCGs and are under $150.

 

[RedNeck Jim]

I run a Jard single-stage adjustable in mine. I have a consistent 2 lb, 2 oz trigger pull.

Curious, can you bump or jar the gun to force a discharge with such a light trigger?

 

[GhostMutt]

Curious, can you bump or jar the gun to force a discharge with such a light trigger?

I have a two stage match trigger in my Anschutz that breaks at 1.1lbs...(502g) it has to be over 0.5kg as minimum trigger pull weight to be eligible for comps, which they test randomly test by banging the stock on the ground, the trigger should not go off over 0.5kg, its kind of like an athletes dope test. So I doubt that jarring the 15-22 would make it discharge, but I bet that trigger is like pulling on smoke but then there are considerable differences between bolt and semi.

Thanks for all the info, keep it coming. I am all spongy.

 

[jfwright1955]

I have the Wilson Combat TR-TTU's in both my M&P 15 and 15-22. While they're a bit pricey they're a really nice unit with clean, crisp breaks. It's a drop-in installation taking 5 minutes or less, and that included the time to watch the YouTube install video.

In the 15 I'm a little over 7k rounds and about 2k through the 15-22 with the Wilson's installed.

 

[lhoward762]

I have a CMC 3.5 flat face in my Rimfire Challenge match 15-22. I used to have failure to fires with my previous JP yellow springs and bobbed hammer.

I installed a set screw in my safety to limit the over travel and a set screw in the threaded grip hole to limit the pretravel. The CMC trigger with these mods is faster than my shooting buddies' Geissele S3G triggers. My split time are .09"-.12". 10 round bursts are around 500 rounds per minuet, controlled. That's what my shot timer is recording.

The CMC trigger has helped me a lot in local, state, and world rimfire challenge matches. Don't forget to order the longer pins for the polymer lower.

 

[Majorlk]

Curious, can you bump or jar the gun to force a discharge with such a light trigger?

Nope. The only rifle I have with a trigger pull over three pounds is my Garand. None can be forced to accidentally discharge. My match .22 pistol breaks at 14 OUNCES! You can beat on it all day and it will not break unless you pull the trigger.

Properly designed and adjusted triggers simply don't release accidentally. Note that I said AND ADJUSTED.

 

[LarryP]

I have the Wilson Combat TR-TTU's in both my M&P 15 and 15-22. While they're a bit pricey they're a really nice unit with clean, crisp breaks.

That's funny. They make a nice 1911 too, I love mine.

Personally I agree with the ALG but popped another $20 for the ACT for my daughter. She uses lightweight springs as well.

 

[PJS50]

I don't have a dedicated .22cal AR but I have a couple "regular" AR guns with different triggers, so with that said, here goes....

- The Rock Island 2 Stage "Match" trigger: For the money, I think this is possibly the best "match" or even all around AR trigger out there. I think I paid about $80 on sale for my last one. Nice/distinct 2 stages. Breaks very cleanly and has a weight of pull which will usually qualify for High Power competition (I say usually because I do have a couple of friends who have noticed a slight change/lightening in pull weight after YEARS and many thousands of rounds of shooting this trigger; this change can be brought back into spec though).
- Hyperfire: I have a standard Hyperfire 24 on one of my AR's (I've only run the mid-weight springs so far) and it is a very unique trigger. It does have a very long pull, but it is an even/uniform pull (similar to a Dragunov SVD, an HK-P7 pistol or possibly even a good Glock trigger). The hammer strike force is superb with this trigger. Another cool part about these is that trigger pull weights can be easily changed on them (with the provided set of springs) without any loss in hammer strike force. My "24" is great for a "field" rifle, but I think their 24E or 24C would be a better trigger for a dedicated "match" rifle. One problem, they can be found on sale but they ain't "cheap" by any means.
- ALG ACT: I have one of these too. It is a very nice single stage "military" trigger without all of the creep, grit or excessive weight which can be found on mil-spec triggers as just a matter of "bad luck" (let's face it, some mil-triggers are just plain terrible and another triggers group from even the same maker can be "OK"). The ACTs I have shot generally break at @5#, and they do so pretty cleanly. Not expensive, but not necessarily a "match grade" trigger either.
- Geissele: I don't own one but I've fired a couple of the SSA's on occasion. Not "bad" triggers by any means, but I'm not sure they are worth all the "hype" or cost either though... Again, I don't own one, so take that with a grain of salt I guess.

Good luck finding this stuff over in the UK... I'm surprised you are even allowed to own a rifle which just looks like an AR. That's got to scare the hell out of the Anti-gunners over there?
B-)

 

[GhostMutt]

Good luck finding this stuff over in the UK... I'm surprised you are even allowed to own a rifle which just looks like an AR. That's got to scare the hell out of the Anti-gunners over there?
B-)

Yeah you are right, they are difficult to source in the UK, they are available but stock is always limited and price consequently higher. We have no real restrictions on the looks of rifles, we are vetted by the local police and have to belong to a club and show good reason for owning each firearm. We don't even have any mag restrictions a lot of 15-22 uk owners have lots of 25 round mags.......(I bracket all this in a NOT YET) but seeing the way the world is going I think we are all shooting on borrowed time. That's another debate for another forum though, for now I'm gonna enjoy every minute of it, thanks for the info...you strengthened the case for the Hyperfire, imo.
Now tell my wife how great it is and that the gun may fall apart without one haha

 

[uechikid]

I can't speak to the other triggers you mentioned but we are using the Hipertouch 24 basic trigger in both of our AR15s and love them. I'm planning on building an AR10 and will use the Hipertouch 24 in that as well.
Good luck

 

[photoracer]

OK lets be serious for a few minutes here. I probably shoot more speed events over a year than the next 2 guys put together. I can shoot one every weekend if I want to not counting the major events.
What you want is a trigger with a short reset and a fast lockup time. If you can't shoot a 5 plate string under 1.5s without the trigger locking up you have the wrong trigger (or you can't go that fast and aren't fast enough). Most serious speed shooters using AR type rifles rely on 3-gun triggers to get the job done. Does not matter if it is a single stage (JP + Speedhammer) or a 2 stage (Geissele Super 3Gun, Wilson Competition, AT AR-Gold) or a completely exotic one (Hypertouch 24) all of those will work. The reason is in 3 gun you may need to hose off 30 rounds in under 5 seconds (very rare) or at least know that your rifle will cycle and fire that fast. The most common trigger used is the Geissele S3G or the SD3G if you happen to like a flat trigger. All of the ones I mentioned are used by several big time 3-gun shooters. I currently use either the Geissele S3G or the JP w/Speedhammer. The others I mention are fine also. If you plan on using something else it might seem fine at whatever level you are at but it might not end up that way when you get faster. For instance I used the RRA 2 stage + JP springs early on until I hit that wall at about 1.5-1.6s. The trigger flat failed to reset at a speed I wanted to shoot at. So I went to a gun show where a dealer and custom AR builder I know used to set up a lot of trigger so people could try them out. The S3G was by far the best. I only had to release the trigger about 1/8 inch to get it to fully reset. On the 15-22 its weight with Geissele springs showed 2.5# on my gauge so I went with that. Later after I got into 3-gun I also bought a JP setup to put in my AR .22 and I like that also. Just remember if you buy something now that you know works you only have to cry once. If you buy something that is unknown you might have to replace it down the road.