Overcoming the "tactical" mindset

[shouldazagged]

Wrong! All three of my family vehicles have the glass ejecting option. Upon any type of impact, the windows fall out, doors unlock, motor turns off, seat belts release, gas tank seals itself while On Star dials 911, GPS gives location and finds me the nearest bar/pizzaria.

Ah, but your 50,000 lumen tactical flashlight could blind the fierce snapping turtles and cottonmouths that infest those ditches. So you haven't covered every eventuality. Anyway, would your foil hat interfere with On Star? Have you tested that?

I hate to say it, but I think you're in deep guacamole.

 

[Smoke]

FWIW I'm far more likely to be on my bike than in my car and my car has manual windows

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

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[shouldazagged]

Hey guys, check this out. "This is not a toy!"

Probably a really stupid question, because I'm way behind the times, but why does such a useful rescue and triage tool need to be called "tactical", and why does it need a black blade?

Actually it would be better with a blade like the Spyderco Rescue that was stolen from my car. It had a one-inch serrated section, at the blunt tip. Much safer for cutting clothing or bandages.

I have a niece and nephew, brother and sister, who are career EMT's. They, and every other EMT I've known, depended more on heavy-duty bandage scissors for most of that kind of cutting anyway.

 

[Smoke]

It has to be black otherwise it ain't tactical

 

[shouldazagged]

It has to be black otherwise it ain't tactical

Then I guess one of my neighbors just threw out some tactical biscuits for the birds.

 

[duppie]

Then I guess one of my neighbors just threw out some tactical biscuits for the birds.

If that be the case,Ive been making "Tactical Toast",Tactical Hamburgers" and Tactical Chickens" for years...come to think of it my last car had a "Tactical Transmission"....who knew?

 

[VictorLouis]

Cool thread, for the most part. I have seen mention of MOST of what many of us consider to be 'routine' EDC items. Gun, knife, light, reload/s. Aside from a few references to use with a duty-belt/uniform, I've seen ZERO mention of less-lethal alternatives.

My EDC always has the routine, PLUS OC and a C2. OC takes up less space than a 1911 mag, and weighs about as much as a quality Parker pen. The C2 is less bulky and lighter than an I-phone. Both of them give me an option other than fisticuffs, when use of the gun simply isn't warranted.

Anyone else?

 

[millisec]

Ok it's old, a little beat and lacks a really cool LED light but it does say "police task force". Guess between that and the cool Colt logo that makes it kinda like tactical therefore tacticool. Always have that in car and it has seat belt cutter and a window breaker. Didn't make it this far to drown like a rat trapped in a car. If nothing else Boy Scouts taught me "be prepared"

 

[shouldazagged]

Cool thread, for the most part. I have seen mention of MOST of what many of us consider to be 'routine' EDC items. Gun, knife, light, reload/s. Aside from a few references to use with a duty-belt/uniform, I've seen ZERO mention of less-lethal alternatives.

Good point. I've often considered OC, just never have gotten around to purchasing it.

 

[DR505]

Good point. I've often considered OC, just never have gotten around to purchasing it.

I don't care for OC. When that is deployed, EVERYONE ends up affected.

 

[Smoke]

Cool thread, for the most part. I have seen mention of MOST of what many of us consider to be 'routine' EDC items. Gun, knife, light, reload/s. Aside from a few references to use with a duty-belt/uniform, I've seen ZERO mention of less-lethal alternatives.

My EDC always has the routine, PLUS OC and a C2. OC takes up less space than a 1911 mag, and weighs about as much as a quality Parker pen. The C2 is less bulky and lighter than an I-phone. Both of them give me an option other than fisticuffs, when use of the gun simply isn't warranted.

Anyone else?

My take is if I have time to stop, consider my options and choose a non lethal weapon I probably didn't need any weapon at all.

 

[Smithsrevenge]

I don't care for OC. When that is deployed, EVERYONE ends up affected.

Sabre red makes a gel oc. No fumes no back spray. Only the sprayed are effected.

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[BillBingham2]

Probably a really stupid question, because I'm way behind the times, but why does such a useful rescue and triage tool need to be called "tactical", and why does it need a black blade?
........

Because the 13 YOs who they are marketing to do not know better.

I used to have the same issue with cameras, then I switched to a Leica rangefinder and my back felt much better. Now it's a little Ricoh GRD or my iPhone.

I've seen several folks trying to CC a full sized Glock on one side, two extended mags on the other under a T-shirt already one size too small.

I don't like feeling like Batman.

 

[SgtLumpy]

I'm humored by some of the tacti-cool crowd. Especially flashlights. I've chuckled while reading some candlepower guys talk about using the proper lubricant on your EDC torch because when your life depends on it you don't want to find out you skimped on flashlight oil.

...

But as a whole, I'm ok with all of that, guns or lights or whatever, as long as they're the good guys - and they categorically are. They're guys that are armed, have cellphones (and probably cellphone backups -BUC's?) and what not. If something happens to me or anyone, I probably feel safer knowing those guys are around vs gangsters and anti gun people being around.

LEOs face that a lot. I had a guy in my jurisdiction that was a "certified school crossing guard". He showed up at every accident scene with a yellow Kojak light on his little Toyota. He had flares and first aid kits and blankets and caution tape and all kinds of stuff in his little car. I'd utilize him whenever I felt it was safe. If I had a car crash with roadblock on a blind curve and I was the only unit there, I'd sure be glad to have him park his car in a good warning spot. Some cops didn't like the guy trying to "get in the way" but I figured I'll take whatever help I can get, as long as he's safe.

I gotta go change the oil and stress test the O rings in my flashlight. Be back in a few.


Sgt Lumpy

 

[Smithsrevenge]

I'm humored by some of the tacti-cool crowd. Especially flashlights. I've chuckled while reading some candlepower guys talk about using the proper lubricant on your EDC torch because when your life depends on it you don't want to find out you skimped on flashlight oil.

...

But as a whole, I'm ok with all of that, guns or lights or whatever, as long as they're the good guys - and they categorically are. They're guys that are armed, have cellphones (and probably cellphone backups -BUC's?) and what not. If something happens to me or anyone, I probably feel safer knowing those guys are around vs gangsters and anti gun people being around.

LEOs face that a lot. I had a guy in my jurisdiction that was a "certified school crossing guard". He showed up at every accident scene with a yellow Kojak light on his little Toyota. He had flares and first aid kits and blankets and caution tape and all kinds of stuff in his little car. I'd utilize him whenever I felt it was safe. If I had a car crash with roadblock on a blind curve and I was the only unit there, I'd sure be glad to have him park his car in a good warning spot. Some cops didn't like the guy trying to "get in the way" but I figured I'll take whatever help I can get, as long as he's safe.

I gotta go change the oil and stress test the O rings in my flashlight. Be back in a few.


Sgt Lumpy

I know exactly what you mean there, One of my guys is obsessed with flashlights and the "need" for them, He has one on every pistol, every shotgun, every rifle....

He spent like $500 on one of those 5.11 tactical pocket deals, Like the size of a sharpie, but 420 Lumen..........One day at the office he was bragging about it, I pulled out my Duty light, Stinger DS-HL, Jabbed him in the kidney with it and laughed saying "mine was $125, its brighter, lasts longer, Made of aircraft grade aluminium, lasts for 55,000 hours on one bulb..... and it does this" and jabbed him again. He realized his tiny super light had a flaw, bad striking tool

A good light is a good thing, But people don't need to over do that stuff, My Sgt still carries a $30 6D cell maglight haha, does the trick just fine for him. No oil required either

 

[lamb]

Pistol, reload, flashlight, phone (preferably with bluetooth earpiece for hands free use), and usually a knife. Pretty much all the time. BUT: first and foremost, pay attention, avoid dumb places unless you are paid to be there; avoid people who do dumb stuff; if you see something that looks like it is going sideways, leave. That's the part that really matters. If I have to use the other gear, something went wrong well before then.

Could not have said it better, I agree if your paying attention chances are you will see it coming.

Thanks,

 

[sac-gunslinger]

If that be the case,Ive been making "Tactical Toast",Tactical Hamburgers" and Tactical Chickens" for years...come to think of it my last car had a "Tactical Transmission"....who knew?

And my car has been running on tactical oil for months.

 

[phenson]

There are no "sportsmen" at the local range or the local gun store these days, only operators and zombie response team members. Everyone wants tactical weapons, because they are constantly imagining themselves in a shootout or other survival situation, which of course, requires as many rounds as possible downrange, with little emphasis placed on accuracy, never just shooting for enjoyment. Honestly, I enjoy "no stress" shooting of cans and other non-tactical targets with my old S&W's that have history and a heritage. I really don't think the high capacity tupperware will ever be collectable, but you can get off 17-30 rounds downrange at those zombies that are overrunning you. As for me, I'll stick with my pre-war 38/44 HD, shooting THE LOAD, remembering Elmer Keith and watching watermelons explode. Oh, and I was in the Army for 24 years.

 

[shouldazagged]

I'm humored by some of the tacti-cool crowd. Especially flashlights. I've chuckled while reading some candlepower guys talk about using the proper lubricant on your EDC torch because when your life depends on it you don't want to find out you skimped on flashlight oil.

Man, where have I been? FLASHLIGHT OIL? That is truly odd!

What next, multi-tool antifreeze? O-rings on a tack hammer?