.455_Hunter
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Did the frames actually change from a post-MIM/pre-lock to a post-MIM/post-lock? They both use the same internal firing pin setup.
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SWFan27
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You can shoot all the 357 Magnums you want out of the new Model 19. It has a full-size forcing cone and can handle anything you feel like shooting. I have the lock versions of the M19 Classic and M66.
I have shot thousands of magnums, and the forcing cones have zero wear or issues. I can't wait until the new No Lock models are legal in California, but that probably will not be until January 2026.
Ive got a "Lipseys" 686+ Mountain Gun no lock incoming...
Do you have a delivery date?
"Next allocation" which can be 2 days…or never.Its usually a week ish. Sent me this Ruger picture today so it's in. He doesn't text much
I accept that..,considering what he can do in this *****ty state.
He's opening a 6 lane 100 foot heated 180 degree capable range,open year round. With rentals etc plus the store. Use to be a bike shop/wood stoves/chain saws/etc store. Should do well..
He has my full support as we need people like him for our sanity behind enemy lines…
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It's only money. Buy both!! I want the MG and the 19!!! MG has to have front sight changed to black ramp though!!
On the other hand, a Model 10 that cost around $130 new in the mid-1970s comes out to the high-$800s/low-$900s in present day with inflation. They're priced at what they more or less have always been. The smooth stocks that are on these new ones are from Tyler Gun Grips and they're lightyears better and thicker than the cheap Altamont laminate grips that have been the factory default lately.
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Here is a continuation from my last 19-10 no lock post. I took it shooting again today.I just picked up my new Model 19 Classic No Lock. Feeler gauge showed .004" barrel/cylinder gap. I immediately took it to the range.
I fired 174 rounds in just a bit over an hour. 12 rounds were Magnums, 12 rounds were Federal "High Velocity" 158gr SWCHP .38 Special +P, and the rest were Speer Lawman 125gr TMJ .38 Special standard pressure.
Function was flawless. I was surprised at how accurate I was with it. The DA trigger is rather nice. I didn't shoot but two rounds in SA. Overall I really can't find anything to complain about. The cylinder doesn't spin when open as much as my older ones, not sure if that matters or not. It's a very nice looking revolver, and the newest Smith I've owned made after the lock was introduced (but this one being "no-lock"). My other newest Smith is a 625-7 Mountain Gun .45 Colt made in I think '99 or so.
How many rounds do y'all think before I can say I got "one of the good ones"? I'd like to vet it's reliability enough to trust for carry.
Here is the data from my range trip today with the Model 19-10 no-lock, as well as data on rounds through the gun total.
Fired 18 rounds of Special, then 6 rounds of Armscor 158gr .357 Mag, no problem.
The next cylinder load of Armscor had a light primer strike on the first round. The rest fired, and the one that failed to fire went off the second time around. I stopped shooting Armscor after that.
The rest of the range trip went without any light strikes or any other issue. I fired another 412 rounds, mostly Lawman .38 and 42 more rounds of Magnums (Federal American Eagle 158gr JSP).
Total Round Counts before, after, and with Light Strike:
412 Rounds Fired this range trip After Light Primer Strike w/ no issues
442 Rounds Total this Range Trip
604 rounds Total through this gun
Total Magnums This Trip: 54 rounds
Magnums after Light Primer Strike: 42
Total Magnums Through Gun: 54
Thoughts? I did have a light primer strike with this Armscor ammo in my GP100 last year, and it never happened again. Possible issue with the M19-10 or just a case of a hard primer?
Of all of the various brands of modern factory ammo that I've shot, I've always had issues with Armscor rounds failing to fire specifically. I won't buy their stuff anymore regardless of the value presented by their bulk packs for that reason.
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I put a 686+ Mountain Gun on order at one of my local shops today. Hopefully there'll also be a no-lock Model 10 available when it comes in so I can economize my trips.
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My understanding of the new 19's is that the design was changed where durability with magnums is no longer an issue. The originals had a flat on the bottom of the barrel/forcing cone where the cracking occurred. The new ones with the two piece barrel do not. From photos I've seen the no-lock Model 19 has the new design. Jerry Miculek has a video covering the differences with the new design.
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The no-lock Model 10 has the old design, but it's not an issue with the lower pressure 38 special or 38+P ammo.
My point was that you can still find pencil barrel 10s in 95-98% condition with full box and papers in the $400-500 range and they are quite readily available. I picked one up not too long ago for $500 but it was likely NOS. Why would I spend double that for a new one?
I'm not sure if you would, but there are plenty of reasons why someone else would. Perhaps this hypothetical person wants a brand new gun that they're the first owner of. Maybe they want a modern gun that the factory can't screw up if it has to go back for any maintenance. Maybe they already have a vintage/family heirloom Model 10, but want something they can shoot constantly or carry in day-to-day use and won't feel bad about banging up or putting cosmetic wear on. Maybe they're a collector of significant changes in S&W's lineup. Or perhaps they're like me - someone that wants to support S&W's dropping of the lock in these new models, and that always wanted to purchase a brand new K-frame without a lock, but wasn't of-age to purchase one prior to 2001.
Additionally, finding vintage, NOS-condition S&Ws in my local market for not-unreasonable money is a difficult endeavor to say the very least.
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I put a box of Magnums plus a couple cylinders-worth more through my new Model 19, but overall my usage of Magnums in this gun will be very limited. The issues with cracking the forcing cone may be eliminated, but K Frame .357's were known to go out of time much faster with regular usage of Magnum ammo.
I'm mainly using my GP100 and incoming Security Six for shooting Magnums.
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I have never heard that S&W K frames are prone to timing issues with heavy magnum use before. That is a first for me. I shoot mostly magnums through my modern K frame M66-8 and M19-9 Classic. They handle them just fine and continue to function flawlessly.
New ones are probably OK with ANY ammo.
Iffen you search my posts you will find 4 in nickel 19 FC cracked while shooting 158 gr cast bullets. pics included.
Lets put the "old wife's tale" to bed.
And maybe your a geezer who was issued a #10 in '73 but not allowed to purchase it when the city moved on to autoloaders. Maybe you look back on the many years of carrying a #10 and want to relive those glory days, just because.
I can afford it and I can't take either the money or the gun with me
so why not? In what little time I have left it would give me great pleasure to have a new issue. My money, my business. Just sayin' lots of reasons, besides I'm a S&W fan so there's that too.
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I fixed it for you…
I just picked up my new Model 19 Classic No Lock. Feeler gauge showed .004" barrel/cylinder gap. I immediately took it to the range.
I fired 174 rounds in just a bit over an hour. 12 rounds were Magnums, 12 rounds were Federal "High Velocity" 158gr SWCHP .38 Special +P, and the rest were Speer Lawman 125gr TMJ .38 Special standard pressure.
Function was flawless. I was surprised at how accurate I was with it. The DA trigger is rather nice. I didn't shoot but two rounds in SA. Overall I really can't find anything to complain about. The cylinder doesn't spin when open as much as my older ones, not sure if that matters or not. It's a very nice looking revolver, and the newest Smith I've owned made after the lock was introduced (but this one being "no-lock"). My other newest Smith is a 625-7 Mountain Gun .45 Colt made in I think '99 or so.
How many rounds do y'all think before I can say I got "one of the good ones"? I'd like to vet it's reliability enough to trust for carry.
Excellent. Glad that they are hitting the shelves. Waiting for mine to arrive in Charlotte.
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I'd say it has been vetted enough for carry, but perhaps others will disagree.
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