Penn State

[rimfired]

JoPA is dead, his legasy now tarnished. But the actual pervert should have rats eat his body alive! The NCAA have taken from the past and punished the present. Stupid by my view.

Penn State, They did beat undefeated NW today. That takes guts to come together and play to be the best!

 

[Kstoneking]

I too find it absurd to punish the players and team for the transgressions of the former coaches and administration. Punish the dirtbags who were responsible and/or negligent, not those who had absolutely nothing to do with it, IMHO.

Kenny

 

[SweetMK]

I tend to disagree, I feel the present must be punished.
To let Penn State off would detract from the problem.

Penalty's for the school now will insure future situations will be monitored more closely by ALL schools.

If JoPa had lived, I would have liked to see him do jail time if he had any knowledge of the situation.

It is a new society, we are stuck with living by the rules.

On a slightly different note, my daughter played sports in school. We saw others cheating on many occasions.

My daughter was 6 feet tall. Luckily, she did not need to cheat to win, but, those who cheated were seldom penalized.

 

[paplinker]

I tend to disagree, I feel the present must be punished.
To let Penn State off would detract from the problem.

Penalty's for the school now will insure future situations will be monitored more closely by ALL schools.

If JoPa had lived, I would have liked to see him do jail time if he had any knowledge of the situation.

It is a new society, we are stuck with living by the rules.

On a slightly different note, my daughter played sports in school. We saw others cheating on many occasions.

My daughter was 6 feet tall. Luckily, she did not need to cheat to win, but, those who cheated were seldom penalized.

The monitors of the school were a large part of the coverup. They were fired and arrested after they were found out.what more could the school do? Its a shame for the rest who do things the right way. When the very top is corrupt there is no one to answer to.

 

[rimfired]

I tend to disagree, I feel the present must be punished.
To let Penn State off would detract from the problem.

Penalty's for the school now will insure future situations will be monitored more closely by ALL schools.

If JoPa had lived, I would have liked to see him do jail time if he had any knowledge of the situation.

It is a new society, we are stuck with living by the rules.

On a slightly different note, my daughter played sports in school. We saw others cheating on many occasions.

My daughter was 6 feet tall. Luckily, she did not need to cheat to win, but, those who cheated were seldom penalized.

In a "new society"? What did you have to do with this revelation?

So you would be OK if your daughter was under or over 6 feet tall but cheating has to do with height? So If you daughter gets a scholarship it should be height related?
What color is Maroon?

 

[ordy]

Here's a chronology of events compiled by the Washington Post.
Key dates in the Sandusky child sex abuse case and since the scandal erupted at Penn State - The Washington Post
It seems this dirt bag has been at it a long time and getting away with it til Mr. Mcqueary blew the whistle. He went to coach Paterno who in turn went to the athletic director Tim Curley and so on. Each of them went up the chain of command and when it got to the top, the university's admistration did nothing. They removed Sandusky from affiliation but nothing in the legal sense. It took a complaint from one of the boy's mother to get a grand jury investigation started. Should the anministration be held accountable? In my opinion, absolutely. Should Mcqueary or Paterno have done more? Again, yes. The NCAA did what they had to do and it's a shame that the kids who are playing today have to suffer for it.

 

[Pete99004]

I cannot find any reason to punish the innocent. Those that do need to experience it themselves.

Nuf said!

Pete

 

[charlie sherrill]

Living this far south I'm obviously no Penn State fan. But, it looks to me like everybody involved has already been taken down. Leave the current athletes alone. They had nothing to do with this. Punish the guilty, not the innocent. Paterno is dead and his statue has been removed. The unrepetant pervert will likely die in prison, quite possibly not by a natural death. Inmates also like football. I'm having a hard time seeing where this comes under the domain of the NCAA. The lawsuits from the victims are gonna cripple the school anyway.

 

[PA Reb]

I'm from PA. and I believe the school got exactly what it deserved. The judgements that landed hard on Penn State weren't aimed at punishing the innocent, they were handed down to punish the university and they were just. Its not all about sports people - its about the ethics that our schools are charged to uphold, period. Boo hoo if they don't get to play in bowl games! I'd bet my last dollar that the people here (or elsewhere) that are now screaming foul, would be singing a different tune if their child was one of those abused. Along with Sandusky, the head coach (if he had lived), the university President, and quite a few others would all be spending their last days taking daily mandatory community showers in a prison. I truly believe this reaches much higher than what the public is aware of, way higher!

 

[paplinker]

Can't we just punish people who do wrong? Seems sensible to me. Does it have to be a blanket conviction of all. I am all for justice, if you got it coming to you.

 

[mball]

Everyone with knowledge or who suspected what Sandusky was doing should be jailed and caned. The school and students are not to blame. I think it was all about the 60 million in fines. How many people had their paws in that?

 

[mamasfatty]

the program got what it deserved,,, ask yourself what the punishment should have been if YOUR children were the ones molested. many young lives were permanently ruined,,and all you are worried about is a football program,,shamefull!

 

[chud333]

I'm from PA. and I believe the school got exactly what it deserved. The judgements that landed hard on Penn State weren't aimed at punishing the innocent, they were handed down to punish the university and they were just. Its not all about sports people - its about the ethics that our schools are charged to uphold, period. Boo hoo if they don't get to play in bowl games! I'd bet my last dollar that the people here (or elsewhere) that are now screaming foul, would be singing a different tune if their child was one of those abused. Along with Sandusky, the head coach (if he had lived), the university President, and quite a few others would all be spending their last days taking daily mandatory community showers in a prison. I truly believe this reaches much higher than what the public is aware of, way higher!

I tend to agree with this.
Joe Pa should have been forced to take retirement 10-15
years prior but in the PSU environment where the football
program "Ruled" above all else, he had a free reign to coach until he keeled over on the sidelines and everybody, including the school president and board members
we're terrified to so much as speak ill of the "Program".
Acedemics, Morals, Integrity, should all come before the
football program no matter how successful. The athletes we're given the option to transfer without sitting out a year so they had a choice. As for all the alumni, students, fans, etc., they need to rethink their priorities if losing Bowl games and scholarships for athletes, are more important than "doing the right thing". The little boys raped in the "football programs" locker rooms probably don't think the punishment fit the crime either.

Chuck

 

[DWalt]

I am amazed the Lions have performed as well as they have, given the large number of good players who bailed out to play elsewhere. But I can't blame those that did, as I probably would have bailed myself were I in the same situation.

 

[SweetMK]

In a "new society"? What did you have to do with this revelation?

So you would be OK if your daughter was under or over 6 feet tall but cheating has to do with height? So If you daughter gets a scholarship it should be height related?
What color is Maroon?

I had nothing to do with this revelation, I have just lived long enough to see Penn State type behavior swept under the rug, and now that behavior is not acceptable.

I was hit by a drunk driver while I was on a bicycle in the late 1950's. It was mid afternoon in Pittsburgh. That driver was a known local drunk. He was allowed to drive home, because the police thought he was not "too drunk".

We all know what happens today if a drunk driver hits a kid on a bike. He doesn't get off by apologizing.

That is my personal example of the new society.

My daughter did get a full college scholarship, due to her height and athletic abilities.

But, she was constantly monitored academically by the NCAA, both in her senior high school year as well as at college.

Luckily, she was academically inclined as well and finished her education at Yale with a Masters in Physical Chemistry, all on scholarship.

She played by the rules.

So I can not answer about how I would feel if she did not get the scholarship.

 

[PA Reb]

Everyone with knowledge or who suspected what Sandusky was doing should be jailed and caned. The school and students are not to blame. I think it was all about the 60 million in fines. How many people had their paws in that?

Not to sound argumentative (I admit however, I do have an argumentative personality) BUT, the school was the one punished. No-one blames the students, atheletes or anyone like that. The University President (who IS the school) resigned because of it. He knew full well what was going on and so did alot of the people that work under him. The students are still getting a quality education and the atheletes that are there on scholarships were given the opportunity to transfer those scholarships to other schools with top notch atheletic programs. Most made their own decision to stay.

Here's a few things Mark Emmert, president of the NCAA, had to say; "Football will never again be placed ahead of educating, nurturing and protecting young people." He also stated that "no punishment the N.C.A.A. could impose would change the damage done to those Sandusky abused, but the culture, actions and inactions that allowed them to be victimized will not be tolerated in collegiate athletics." In my book, all that spells BINGO!

Two other things (1) Penn State accepted the penalties immediately, without argument. Any idea why they agreed to something like that so fast? I certainly have a few thoughts. (2) You mention the sixty million in fines and you wonder "how many people had their paws in that?" Did you know that "the money will be placed into an endowment for programs that work to prevent child sexual abuse and assist victims. No programs at Penn State can be financed by the money." Once again, BINGO!

In closing, it is my firm belief that anyone who thinks poor little Penn State got a hosing, should re-think their moral values. Powerful people sank to very low levels when they placed what should have been done in line behind the protection a football program - I repeat, a football program. They were actually lucky because the end punishment was miniscule to what it should have been. My only hope is that Sandusky is "gettin' his" on a daily basis!

Oh, and by the way, does anyone wonder where District Attorney Ray Gricar might fit into all of this?

 

[Fishinfool]

I am a PA resident. To my mind, it was the criminal act of one man, and the subsequent criminal / immoral decisions of a handful of those in charge that is the issue. Didn't want any "dirt" on the schools reputation (a common problem in many organized institutions), and so bad choices were made.

Fire / prosecute those involved in the cover up?....YEP

A reasonable fine to put to good use, and make a statement to others who might be in similar situations?.....YEP

Take actions that adversely effect the student body / players who were in no way involved, and are in fact victims themselves?....I DON'T THINK SO.

It might be hard for some to understand, but playing football at Penn State is a big deal to a lot of kids growing up around here. To punish them for the actions of others just isn't right. The football program is important to a lot of decent people.

Comparing having a strong sports program, and the education quality of the school is misplaced. I think you would have a hard time finding many students who would claim they received a sub par education at Penn State due to the various sports programs offered at that school.

Which brings up another point - That 60 million dollar fine. Is it all going to come from the "evil football program"? What other sports will be effected? What student classes and programs will be adversely effected?

The best analogy I have seen is the earlier poster who made the comment about not throwing out the baby with the bath water.....

And My moral values are fine, thank you...

Larry

 

[longranger]

No ones bitching about the N.O.Not so Saints. They should be out of football completely, what they did was a "Team Effort". Hope they never win another game.

 

[BCDWYO]

No ones bitching about the N.O.Not so Saints. They should be out of football completely, what they did was a "Team Effort". Hope they never win another game.

You jinxed it longranger...they won tonight!

 

[blujax01]

At Ohio State the number of students who actually get to watch games is miniscule, 90% of the stadium is filled by deep pocketed "others". I would imagine it is the same way at PSU.

The full-ride athletes involved have the opportunity to find teams elsewhere both this year and next so they have options.

The true student-athletes can still play on the team while pursuing an education.

This leaves the administration of a university that let this go on. The NCAA is punishing the Institution.

The same way it is to OSU over departed athletes and a fired coach.

The same way it did to USC over departed athletes and a fired coach.

Not to mention the death penalty handed down to SMU.

They are being consistent with past practice.

Those being "punished" are mostly bookies and Tailgaters!

 

[mball]

PA Reb,
I am always suspicious when large sums of money are involved. Can't help it. If the money is being used as you say that is fantastic. No problem there.
When someone disagrees with you does that make them In need of re-thinking their morals ? As Doc Holliday said " That's a hello of a thing to say to me Wyatt." That implies that you think I condone child abuse.
I believe you need to re-think that, sir.
Mike

 

[GKC]

While it is indeed unfortunate for the individual students who have been impacted by this, the problem is the football program itself. The reason that Sandusky was protected and his actions covered up was not because the man was loved by the administration, but because they felt that a scandal would hurt the football program. The message must be sent that the football program cannot be and will not be more important than honesty, integrity, and the safety of human beings, both adults and children.

If the program had been allowed to proceed unscathed, the message would have not been the same. Now, while it is indeed unfortunate for those attending there on football scholarships, the overall message is that the football program is not and should not be the most important and sacred, untouchable part of the college program. What is and should be most important is education and welfare of the students in the university's care. If they don't get to play football, it's not the end of the world.

 

[Gamecock]

It was none of the NCAA's business.

They simply used the infamy to steal from Penn State.

 

[SweetMK]

It was none of the NCAA's business.

They simply used the infamy to steal from Penn State.

How did they steal from Penn State, NCAA did not get a nickel.

 

[PA Reb]

PA Reb,
I am always suspicious when large sums of money are involved. Can't help it. If the money is being used as you say that is fantastic. No problem there.
When someone disagrees with you does that make them In need of re-thinking their morals ? As Doc Holliday said " That's a hello of a thing to say to me Wyatt." That implies that you think I condone child abuse.
I believe you need to re-think that, sir.
Mike

Now that I went back and read the grammar I used again, I believe I used the word "morals" in the wrong fashion. No sir, I don't believe you or anyone else here has a moralistic problem - that's not my place to make judgement. I surely didn't mean that I believe you or anyone else here condones child abuse - surely not my place. I apologize that it came out that way, I really do. The point I was trying to make is that in my opinion, anyone who believes the penalties handed down against PS were too heavy or punished innocents, seems to be placing football (and other sports as well) ahead of the true goal of our academic institutions. I believe if that's the case, people need to re-think what really took place and realize the scandal is much deeper than what it appears. The people at PS who are seated in a place of power above these kids ruined the school's image and their atheletic programs for quite some time. They should all be jailed for what they allowed to happen.

With that said, I think it wise I stop posting on this topic. I will say again however that I didn't mean my use of a word to come off as it did.

 

[StatesRightist]

Penn State should have gotten the death penalty, 5 years without football income etc. That would be a proper example for all and deserving of the house of rats that infested it for years.

What was done was just about as low as a human being can go. Don't give me the poor Joe reported it up the line BS either. A decent person would have called the police themselves and done whatever it took to end it. Instead all were too worried about bad press and their jobs, so they let kids suffer. They are disgusting examples of human beings.

I guess by your deluded logic, Exxon, Mobil, Ford etc can do whatever they want to do, then as soon as they get caught, they just fire the upper management and slide away free and clear, after all those running it are no longer there. The point is the entire Enterprise benefited from the actions/football program, now it's going to reap the results of it's failure to act decently.

Seriously, Penn St condoned/hid/allowed child molestation and you want to defend it? Unreal.........

 

[mball]

Now that I went back and read the grammar I used again, I believe I used the word "morals" in the wrong fashion. No sir, I don't believe you or anyone else here has a moralistic problem - that's not my place to make judgement. I surely didn't mean that I believe you or anyone else here condones child abuse - surely not my place. I apologize that it came out that way, I really do. The point I was trying to make is that in my opinion, anyone who believes the penalties handed down against PS were too heavy or punished innocents, seems to be placing football (and other sports as well) ahead of the true goal of our academic institutions. I believe if that's the case, people need to re-think what really took place and realize the scandal is much deeper than what it appears. The people at PS who are seated in a place of power above these kids ruined the school's image and their atheletic programs for quite some time. They should all be jailed for what they allowed to happen.

With that said, I think it wise I stop posting on this topic. I will say again however that I didn't mean my use of a word to come off as it did.

You are probably right. I'm looking at it as a people problem rather than the school itself. I admit I don't know how deep this went but anyone and everyone involved needs to go to jail.
I still don't understand how people could just turn their head and let this go on.

 

[mball]

While it is indeed unfortunate for the individual students who have been impacted by this, the problem is the football program itself. The reason that Sandusky was protected and his actions covered up was not because the man was loved by the administration, but because they felt that a scandal would hurt the football program. The message must be sent that the football program cannot be and will not be more important than honesty, integrity, and the safety of human beings, both adults and children.

If the program had been allowed to proceed unscathed, the message would have not been the same. Now, while it is indeed unfortunate for those attending there on football scholarships, the overall message is that the football program is not and should not be the most important and sacred, untouchable part of the college program. What is and should be most important is education and welfare of the students in the university's care. If they don't get to play football, it's not the end of the world.

Very good explanation. I wasn't looking at it quite like that.

 

[Gamecock]

How did they steal from Penn State, NCAA did not get a nickel.

You are sorta right: they got 1,200,000,000 nickels.

Penn State Nittany Lions hit with $60 million fine, 4-year bowl ban, wins dating to 1998 - ESPN

 

[DWalt]

If you haven't seen the news, Sandusky got 30 to 60 - essentially a life sentence. Of course he is appealing because there was not enough time allotted to prepare an adequate defense. Say, maybe 20 or 30 years.