Picked these up at a show today. Questions

[Boogsawaste]

Grabbed this box of about 50 for $2.50 just to try them out and figured they were cheap enough. Keep in mind that I'm a new handloader, but I've never seen them before. And also have no idea where to even crimp them. I only have a roll crimp if it matters. Been looking for a taper crimp but haven't bought one yet. Anyway, here they are.

 

[Vulcan Bob]

According to my Speer number 9 manual these require a roll crimp over the front of the jacket. Also do not load these with a light charge, Speer says a reduced load may leave the copper jacket cup in the bore. I shot a lot of these back in the day and they are a good bullet.

 

[oldman10mm]

'old school' but good. Circa 60s/70s'. Crimp so that forward edge of jacket is just under your crimp. It'll end up looking like a semi-wadcutter.

 

[Boogsawaste]

Thanks guys! I really need to get a Speer manual to add to the library!

 

[azlou66]

As previously noted don't load these to "Bunny Fart" velocities, push 'em down the tube.

 

[arjay]

Speer # 9 has data for these and I would guess earlier editions do too.The big warning in mine,is to not download them to swaged bullet velocities.

 

[alde]

Thanks guys! I really need to get a Speer manual to add to the library!

You won't find these in a new manual. You will need one that dates back to the 70's. They are good bullets though. I can find some data from my really old Speer book tonight. Maybe I can scan and email it to you. I'm not sure if I can post a scan from a published book here. Like others have said, you don't want to shoot these with light loads.

 

[Boogsawaste]

If I could ask another favor, is there any data in the Speer 9 or anywhere else in your manuals with starting loads for either unique, herco, or bullseye? I'd rather use the data published in those Speer manuals for this specific bullet.

 

[Boogsawaste]

You won't find these in a new manual. You will need one that dates back to the 70's. They are good bullets though. I can find some data from my really old Speer book tonight. Maybe I can scan and email it to you. I'm not sure if I can post a scan from a published book here. Like others have said, you don't want to shoot these with light loads.

Thank you! I didn't see your post before I posted my last one.

 

[arjay]

# 10 shows 8gr-8.5 gr of Unique (357)
6.7-7.2 gr of Bullseye (357)
Nothing for Herco.

 

[George_in_SD]

Speer # 8 for .38 Special. Dont have a #9 handy. As others have said.. dont push these bullets too slow or you risk sticking a jacket in the barrel. Dont be afraid of the Speer # 8 manual. We grew up just fine and never had problems. didnt wear bicycle helmets, ride in baby car seats and other dangerous feats as well...

Unique-5.0 -6.0
Herco-6.0-7.0

 

[Boogsawaste]

You guys are the best!

 

[SMSgt]

That style Speer bullet is what I always loaded in my .41 Magnum and they worked well. I don't think Speer makes them anymore. Too bad, I guess too many kept trying light loads.

 

[RussellD]

Nice score on some classic bullets. I shot a lot of them back the day through my Ruger Redhawk and even used one to kill a wild boar.

 

[Boogsawaste]

Would these happen to be part number 4205 by any chance? Looking through my Lyman 49th they have that part number listed for a Speer 146jhp and the picture looks exactly like these. No cannelures and all. Unfortunately there isn't any part numbers on my box of them, and I'd be a bit surprised that this would indeed be the correct ones.

Loads for 38 special are unique 4.3-5.1 (5.4 +p), and herco 5.0-5.2. No bullseye. 357 is BE 5.7-7.5 and unique 6.3-8.1. Some pretty big spreads there.

 

[arjay]

That's what makes reloading fun! My 46 Lyman shows the same Unique load,but nothing for Bullseye in 357

 

[Boogsawaste]

That's what makes reloading fun! My 46 Lyman shows the same Unique load,but nothing for Bullseye in 357

You're right, it is fun! I'm really glad I it into this part of the hobby. Still lots of figuring out to do, but I found some loads that work nicely in my guns with components I can "usually" get. But I still jump at the opportunity to try something new. Also will be getting my first semi auto soon (9mm shield), so I'll be back asking all the questions now for loading auto cartridges...

 

[Nemo288]

If you REALLY end up liking these bullets, they are some of the easiest to make using swaging dies.
You could also fit them exactly to your bore that way.
I probably still have some 44's at the bottom of the pile.
I took up plain and gas checked cast bullets instead somewhere along the line.

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Nemo

 

[Joe A.]

I shot them in a Python back in the mid 1970s. The powder I used was 2400. That load was extremely accurate and the most accurate in my Python. IIRC, Speer offered the 146 grain half jacket hp and a 160 grain half jacket soft point.

 

[ironhead7544]

These 146 gr bullets are in the Speer #13 manual.

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