Police Officer Caught on Camera Doing It Right

[Fishslayer]

Not sure about the others here but I resent being called an idiot. I have a very good education, over 8 yrs of college and almost 40 yrs of working with police, the courts and in the legal field. I am listed in Westlaw for two cases I worked and have gotten a couple of laws changed. My IQ is two steps above normal. I carry concealed and I carry open and there is nobody that pays attention or gets alarmed by it. As recently as yesterday morning, I was at a local McDonalds and noticed a lady openly carrying, the man she was talking with was openly carrying and I was openly carrying. There was not panic in the place, the police was not called and nobody left in fear.

I am a long way from being an idiot. Now I wouuld agree the guy in the video is an idiot.

Ummm.... I think the point is that LOC is illegal in Kalifornistan but UOC isn't.

Might go back & peruse the thread again. I'm nowhere near 2 steps above normal & I have no problem grasping the concept.

I'm going on the assumption that LOC is legal in Loozyana...

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

So Louisiana law requires you to identify yourself to the cops even if they have no basis to believe that you've engaged in criminal conduct or have any legal basis to detain you? Wow.

Not really-but if you don't ID yourself, you stand a pretty good chance ofof being arrested or otherwise detained under Louisiana's prohibition against being an alpha hotel. This prohibition can take many forms, like a disturbing the peace charge, littering by pitching that cigarette butt, Public intimidation by saying "who's your supervisor" implying you are threatening their job, and so on. A ride down to the station, several hours of "processing" before being cut loose without any arrest, perhaps having to pay a bail bondsman 12% of a $1000 bond to be released, maybe even spending the night in jail and then released on a summons. Then the DA refuses the charges and life goes on. In my humble opinion it's a lot easier in life not being an alpha hotel unless it is REALLY necessary. If this is high up on your "REALLY necessary" list than go for it-it just ain't that high up on mine.
Now Wal-Mart Greeters that's a different story

 

[oldman45]

Ummm.... I think the point is that LOC is illegal in Kalifornistan but UOC isn't.

Might go back & peruse the thread again. I'm nowhere near 2 steps above normal & I have no problem grasping the concept.

I'm going on the assumption that LOC is legal in Loozyana...

I was not referring to the original post. I was making reference to the person calling those carrying openly as idiots. If he does not want to carry openly, then fine. But there are other law abiding people that do carry openly and they are not out to attract attention or create problems and they are not idiots.

 

[oldman45]

So Louisiana law requires you to identify yourself to the cops even if they have no basis to believe that you've engaged in criminal conduct or have any legal basis to detain you? Wow.

I think that identifying yourself to a police officer is prudent. A local man was arrested yesterday because he reused to give his name. Once in custody and printed, it was learned he had 12 warrants for burglarly. I do not mind giving my name when asked.

The guy in the video was asking for trouble by not giving his name but he was on good on his allowing the gun to be taken, examined and such. I also doubt the wisdom of one video taping the events. The officer handled it well.

 

[Fishslayer]

I was not referring to the original post. I was making reference to the person calling those carrying openly as idiots. If he does not want to carry openly, then fine. But there are other law abiding people that do carry openly and they are not out to attract attention or create problems and they are not idiots.

It's early, I'm only on my second coffee, and I'm not a genius.... but I'm pretty sure he's referring to the YouTube jerks in the video?

The only open carry state I've lived in was Arizona. Nobody seemed too concerned about people wandering around with guns there.

Originally Posted by off road
Lots of us have QUIETLY and LEGALLY had our guns within arms reach for all our lives, utilizing various 'exceptions' to the concealed and loaded gun laws. Folks who imagine that they have to be totally disarmed in this state, haven't done their homework....so more fool them!

The last thing we need is these open carry bozos getting all gun owners a lot of unwanted attention! Those who feel they need to parade around flaunting their guns under everybody's noses, are just idiots. The guy in the video, was clearly baiting the cops. To their credit, they didn't fall for it. This doesn't help anyone.

And yes.....my personal experience as a young man was that Oceanside cops were never ever that polite!!

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[ChattanoogaPhil]

I was making reference to the person calling those carrying openly as idiots. If he does not want to carry openly, then fine. But there are other law abiding people that do carry openly and they are not out to attract attention or create problems and they are not idiots.

The man was an idiot. Refusing to give your name around here will put you in jail. Wearing a gun is more likely to get you a cup of coffee at a nearby cafe than an arrest.

Not sure about the others here but I resent being called an idiot.

I am a long way from being an idiot. Now I wouuld agree the guy in the video is an idiot.

Oldman45, you crack me up.

 

[oldman45]

Oldman45, you crack me up.

I crack up a lot of people. Some people I would enjoy a crack at.

 

[novalty]

In Maine OC is legal, but in the last few years since I have gotten back into shooting, I have only seen 2 people OC'ing besides Police Officers. No-one seemed to question it, so that was encouraging.

 

[35Rem]

I'm with the Cajun(s). Don't be a jerk to cops doing their job. It's tough enough for them. Don't p i s s em off. Then they will FIND a reason to give you a ride.
"I don't have ID"? Really? These Open Carry nuts are trying to be a pain. Sorry folks. The guy that had to leave his coffee and donut to get cold to deal with your c r ap isn't eroding your rights, he's doing his job. Don't hassle the ground pounders.

 

[oldman45]

I'm with the Cajun(s). Don't be a jerk to cops doing their job. It's tough enough for them. Don't p i s s em off. Then they will FIND a reason to give you a ride.
"I don't have ID"? Really? These Open Carry nuts are trying to be a pain. Sorry folks. The guy that had to leave his coffee and donut to get cold to deal with your c r ap isn't eroding your rights, he's doing his job. Don't hassle the ground pounders.

Now this is what I was referring to earlier. I would agree the guy on the video was looking for trouble due to carrying openly in an anti gun area, not having identification and refusing to give his last name.

Yet does that make all OC people nuts? Are they trying to be a pain? They are only carrying the way they want, legally.

 

[Steve in Vermont]

I'm with the Cajun(s). Don't be a jerk to cops doing their job. It's tough enough for them.

Exactly. I remember my attitude towards people who were polite and respectful to me when I wore a uniform. Even now, towards an officer that's young enough to be my grandson, I show respect.

 

[35Rem]

They are more OC'ing to be a "legal" pain in the butt. At least the ones that like to video the baited confrontations, as seen above.

I have NO problem with OC. None. I just think that if you are going to be "different" than the world around you, you should expect the attention. Much like the goobers with all the tattoos or metal in their head that get offended when people look at them. You want to stand out, you will draw attention.

If the OC people have a bigger issue, then they need to find a more constructive way to fight it.

 

[BuckeyeChuck]

I think that identifying yourself to a police officer is prudent. A local man was arrested yesterday because he reused to give his name. Once in custody and printed, it was learned he had 12 warrants for burglarly. I do not mind giving my name when asked.

I also don't mind giving my name when arrested. I also think it prudent. But prudence and legality are two different hings, and only one of them empowers law enforcement to arrest somebody. On what legal basis was the local man arrested? Does local or state law *require* a person being question by law enforcement to identify themselves?

Edited to say: I can't believe I wrote "I also don't mind giving my name when arrested." I meant to say "I also don't mind giving my name when requested." Sheesh...

 

[walnutred]

Exactly. I remember my attitude towards people who were polite and respectful to me when I wore a uniform. Even now, towards an officer that's young enough to be my grandson, I show respect.

If you have not seen the Chris Rock video on How Not to Get Your XXX Kicked by the Police you should take a look. It's funny but mostly on target. The driver in the Ohio video could of used some of the advise like: Don't give crazy friends rides.

 

[27145]

I am only familiar with NYC and NY State procedures, being a retired Cop.

We do stop citizens when we have reasonable suspicion and prepare a "Stop and Frisk" report. It is strictly voluntary to give your pedigree. We are conditioned not to get upset if someone does not want to give their name. We just check off "refused id" and fill out a description of the subject. We generally apologize for the stop and explain our actions.

We also do not basically have a right to perform "consent searches". The courts have deemed that people are intimidated and really do not voluntarily consent to a search.

On car stops for instance, we generally search a car after an arrest, seeking anything that could be in the perps "lungable distance" or search the car to inventory it's contents for impound.

I guess procedures are different every where else. I would never give my pedigree or consent to any search by a Cop.

My opinion, I would never open carry and look for problems, but it is legal.

 

[27145]

Originally Posted by oldman45
I think that identifying yourself to a police officer is prudent. A local man was arrested yesterday because he reused to give his name. Once in custody and printed, it was learned he had 12 warrants for burglarly.

What was the pc for the arrest to begin with?

 

[feralmerril]

I only watched the video and didnt take the time to read the 5 pages of imput. All that I have to say is that cop was the coolest I have seen in the last 40 years or so, and the guy makeing his point is amoung the biggest AHs I ever ran across! We dont need that ****!

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

I also don't mind giving my name when arrested. I also think it prudent. But prudence and legality are two different hings, and only one of them empowers law enforcement to arrest somebody. On what legal basis was the local man arrested? Does local or state law *require* a person being question by law enforcement to identify themselves?

you are 100% correct and I agree with you 100%. That being said, I would referr you back to my earlier post. When one lives in a world populated by.....................people sometimes things are a little less than "WHAT THEY SHOULD BE".
This forms the basis of the main inquiry to many potential clients over these many years "Just how much are you looking to spend on this 'principal' thing". When they persist-I give them the number of the ACLU as "SOMEBODY" pays them to litigate the minutia of the citizens of this great country.

Me, I've got more important things to do.

 

[badguybuster]

I dont know about there but here, if I cop asks you to ID yourself during a legitimate encounter, you are required to do so. This appears to have been a legitimate encounter, granted with a moron but never-the-less, if someone complains, you gotta check it out. Hell, he could've been a mental case looking for a his spaceship or a felon looking to get even with someone. You dont know til you ask.

 

[badguybuster]

P.S.
What former marine acts like that?? I mean seriously. Also, if you are gonna OC, you know darn well, sooner or later you are gonna get questioned. Plus, you need a valid ID.

On a lighter note, did you notice that the cop looked like former WVU and Michigan football coach Rich Rodriguez?

 

[walnutred]

I thought you HAD to identify yourself when asked.

 

[oldman45]

Originally Posted by oldman45
I think that identifying yourself to a police officer is prudent. A local man was arrested yesterday because he reused to give his name. Once in custody and printed, it was learned he had 12 warrants for burglarly.

What was the pc for the arrest to begin with?

He was driving a car believed to be used in a commercial break-in and failed to stop when being pulled over.

 

[27145]

Sounds like a good collar then.


A local man was arrested yesterday because he reused to give his name= this doesn't sound like a good collar.

It's all in the articulation.

 

[sigp220.45]

The cop was a master of his emotions, and the other guy was a master baiter.

 

[The Last Standing Knight]

I think that identifying yourself to a police officer is prudent. A local man was arrested yesterday because he reused to give his name. Once in custody and printed, it was learned he had 12 warrants for burglarly. I do not mind giving my name when asked.

The guy in the video was asking for trouble by not giving his name but he was on good on his allowing the gun to be taken, examined and such. I also doubt the wisdom of one video taping the events. The officer handled it well.

Although it has been some years since I dealt with this, Texas used to have a "Failure To Identify To A Peace Officer". Basically, if the cops had probable cause, you matched a description, etc and asked for your ID you were required to show it. If you didn't, it was a misdeameanor and the person's attitude was relevent as to how far it would go. Most of the one I was involved with got a ride in a blue and white to downtown where they could be "positively identified."

 

[Out West]

That cop was PRO! Start to finish. Makes the carry guy look like an idiot.

That for posting this. After all the "bad stop" threads, this is a fresh breeze.

Out
West

 

[nostraDONus]

Legality and proper procedure aside, all the bozo in the video is trying to do is poke the police in the eye and get a negative reaction so he can continue with his ridiculous quest to post video of them making mistakes. I don't believe he is a gun rights advocate. Although, he is probably more anti-police than anti-gun. I'm guessing he bought the cheapest gun he could find (Hi-Point) just to make things look real. I doubt he has any bullets for it.

 

[oldman45]

Legality and proper procedure aside, all the bozo in the video is trying to do is poke the police in the eye and get a negative reaction so he can continue with his ridiculous quest to post video of them making mistakes. I don't believe he is a gun rights advocate. Although, he is probably more anti-police than anti-gun. I'm guessing he bought the cheapest gun he could find (Hi-Point) just to make things look real. I doubt he has any bullets for it.

Well, he says it was a S&W 40 caliber but it looked cheap to me.

 

[Lost Lake]

A different encounter with someone carrying a weapon....

I don't know if anyone posted this one yet, but what a difference the attitude of the officer makes when finding a concealed weapon!!! This officer has no axe to grind, is not better than the rest of the public, and will surely be commended for his attitude....

‪One Good Cop‬‏ - YouTube

 

[photoman]

That's a hoot!

p.s. The guy making the video "used to be" a Marine?!?!