I really hope it doesn't as I've just bought my first Mosin and have yet to shoot it. What I don't need is another caliber pushing $1 a round or more.
Possible 7.62 Shortage
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I really hope it doesn't as I've just bought my first Mosin and have yet to shoot it. What I don't need is another caliber pushing $1 a round or more.
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According to the Military Arms Channel this is just misinformation. He doesn't have a stake in the ammo industry, and he's got a reputable channel on YouTube.
https://www.thebangswitch.com/is-the-x39-world-coming-to-an-end/
https://www.thebangswitch.com/is-the-x39-world-coming-to-an-end/
In that post he says the companies are producing it at the rate they always have but nowhere is it mentioned that we have gone from 80 million gun owners to over 100 million gun owners. So unless we shed 20 million gun owners we will never get back to normal as the ammo makers are not expanding to meet that new demand.
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The WM I went to today, had many boxes of that and 223--bulk boxes and all. One bolk box--I forget how many rounds? possibly 250--for $35--they had several of those. I also saw the top and another shels full of various makes of 9mmand 45. At least 30 boxes of Winchester 45--several of Winchester 40, lots of Federal stuff as well. I went ahead and bought 2 boxes Fed 9mm for the hell of it. I skipped the 45.
Anyway, the new guy in charge of the ammo counter seems be "on the level" and said fewer daily faces at his counter for about the last 10 days...................................................
Anyway, the new guy in charge of the ammo counter seems be "on the level" and said fewer daily faces at his counter for about the last 10 days...................................................
Smitty357
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I remember a few years back when .22lr was plentiful and there was no indication of a price increase or availability.
Within a few days of certain actions of a particular evil person. All of a sudden all the availability of ammo disappeared and the prices sky rocketed when it became available.
Let the past teach us a lesson and dont ever sell urself short by thinking there is no indication. The indication is whats going on overseas. Just like the indication for the AR ban and the ammo scarce was sandy hook. It may have taken a few days for all that available ammo and AR's to disappear, but the indication that it "would" disappear was all over the news.
IMO, i'll be like I have been during all of this. I'll gladly sit safe and have fun shooting tons of cheap ammo. While the others run around like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off trying to find expensive ammo. Buy cheap, shoot cheap, have fun while doing so.
Oh if I was an AR Dude I would have had tons of the stuff laid in years ago. I'm just saying the the OP is rumor mongering with no evidence and I would not take action based on the "facts" presented in this thread.
Arik
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It's all BS. Russia doesn't need to stock up on ammo as they are selling of their 70s and early 80s stock piles. They still have all of 00, 90s and half of the 80s in stock. That's mounds of ammo. The only disappearance of ammo is because people are hoarding. ...again. If everyone buys 10 cases in a few days of course there will be a shortage.
Lady T there is also Bulgarian, Hungarian, Romanian, and other x54 ammo.
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Lady T there is also Bulgarian, Hungarian, Romanian, and other x54 ammo.
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Surplus 7.62x54R and 5.45x39
Aim Surplus: OUT----5.45x39: OUT
MidwayUSA: OUT----5.45x39: OUT
Natchez: OUT----5.45x39: OUT
Wideners: OUT----5.45x39: OUT
TargetSports: OUT----5.45x39: OUT
ABLEAMMO: OUT----5.45x39: OUT
PSA: OUT----5.45x39: OUT
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Just got back from early visit to WM--they still have all the boxes of stuff they had the same of yesterday--minus the two boxes I bought. The same guy from yesterday--said he didnt sell any type of ammo since the two I bought yesterday.
Only the Shadow knows--I guess?
Only the Shadow knows--I guess?
Arik
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Because people read that nonsense and run out and buy everything in sight. If I told you that there is going to be a ban on recoil springs I can guarantee you that everyone will be sold out of every type of spring there is
SG AMMO ----- 5.45 surplus @ $178
----- 5.45 Wolf @ $187
----- 5.45 Hornady @$20/50
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Guess we haven't learned our lesson from the past have we?
Facts are with Russian troops in Crimea and Russian troops positioned along the border of Ukraine ready to invade, sanctions from the US and the EU ready to be imposed if Russia does not back off and people think its nonsense to not act in a prudent manner to ensure they have the ammo they need.
It's beyond belief that people are ignoring what is happening and the probable impacts on ammunition supply. Not only is surplus ammo endangered but new production also. Ask yourself what would happen to the ammo supply if Russian surplus and new production was blocked from import into the American market. If you think things were bad last year just wait and see how bad things will get if ammunition produced or sold by Russian companies is banned from importation to the U.S. It will make 2013 look like a year of an ammunition glut.
We should see something sometime late Sunday or early Monday. If sanctions are indeed imposed their severity will most likely be laddered.
Arik
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The 2013 frenzy had nothing to do with Russia. What happened in 08 when Russia went to war with Georgia? Any shortages? The only shortages are the ones we cause ourselves.
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KLYDE
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Whether induced by internet hype, panic buying or real world circumstances, a shortage is a shortage. All the non believers can keep their heads buried in the sand and claim Bravo Sierra. They will be the first crying when they can't get any ammo. I don't buy any ammo since I reload everything I shoot except .22. If I did buy ammo I would be buying everything I could get my hands on. In the mean time I'm squirreling components. Good luck.
Smitty357
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I remember when powder was plentiful and primers were dirt cheap. I dont know about u, but it aint the same anymore.
Let the nay sayers do what they want. As u said, they'll be the first to complain in the end. Those of us who prepare, are the ones they call Hoarders. I dont know about u but i'd much rather be the hoarder than be the needy. At least the hoarders have plenty of ammo to shoot and dont have to look for any or pay any high prices. We just get to sit back and laugh at these guys each and every time we make a range trip and squeeze off 500+ rounds a week and not feel a dent in our pocket book.
I don't think the risk of sanctions causing importation of ammo can be discounted.
The company I work at deals with companies in Russia, our legal department and engineering management are working contingencies plans in case sanctions go into affect. Also, people are getting their VISAs for travel filed now in case they need to travel later.
The risk of business disruption is VERY real.
The company I work at deals with companies in Russia, our legal department and engineering management are working contingencies plans in case sanctions go into affect. Also, people are getting their VISAs for travel filed now in case they need to travel later.
The risk of business disruption is VERY real.
Nobody was talking Sanctions then but they are today. Ignore the building tensions at your peril. A prudent person would add to their supplies if their was a chance that those supplies might not be available or available at greatly increased prices in the future.
Granted you can just ignore whats happening but if there are sanctions imposed and ammunition produced or sold by Russian companies are part of those sanctions what are you going to do then.
The Sec. of State is speaking now and it seems after 6 hours of negotiations to avoid this crises those negotiations have failed.
Arik
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Worst case I'll do what I did in 2013....other stuff.
While I do have a nice stash It really doesn't really bother me if something particular is more or less available. When 22 became unavailable I just moved to something else. Besides in 15 years I have yet to shoot a brick of 22lr. So instead I shot more of other calibers. Same with this. If x39 is unavailable I'll shoot something else. I don't see the problem. (I get why it a problem, it's just not a problem or a concern to me).
I shoot 10mm
38
357
Which Russia doesn't import.
7.62x54
Which is imported by Bulgaria and PPU.
9/40/45 I have mostly brass with a little bit of Russian mixed in.
223 only shoot PMC for plinking with a few Russian mixed in.
My 2 main Russian rifles are AK47 and 74. Well 5.45 is also imported from Bulgaria, and I can live without steel case x39.
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While I do have a nice stash It really doesn't really bother me if something particular is more or less available. When 22 became unavailable I just moved to something else. Besides in 15 years I have yet to shoot a brick of 22lr. So instead I shot more of other calibers. Same with this. If x39 is unavailable I'll shoot something else. I don't see the problem. (I get why it a problem, it's just not a problem or a concern to me).
I shoot 10mm
38
357
Which Russia doesn't import.
7.62x54
Which is imported by Bulgaria and PPU.
9/40/45 I have mostly brass with a little bit of Russian mixed in.
223 only shoot PMC for plinking with a few Russian mixed in.
My 2 main Russian rifles are AK47 and 74. Well 5.45 is also imported from Bulgaria, and I can live without steel case x39.
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BlueOvalBandit
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Except one is supposed to be caused by sanctions the other is pure panic cause by internet lore like the dhs bought all the ammo myths that still linger today. Has there been anything other than people freaking out as to why there is no powder, primers, 22lr, ect? Nope, just panic and do we really need to start another?
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If sanctions are imposed that include bans on Russian companies that produce ammunition then you can expect to see shortages to develop in such calibers as 9mm and .223 as a result of the loss of Russian supplies to the American Ammunition Market. I really hope this does not occur.
We do have a positive on our side that may be key to preventing such sanctions that would impact ammo supplies. That "key" is the upcoming Congressional elections in November. I really doubt the Democrats would want to cross that bridge as they know it will be portrayed as their fault that there is no ammo available.
Still one needs to prepare oneself for the possibility that if sanctions are imposed and those sanctions impact US ammo supplies out of Russia that individuals will have what they consider to be an acceptable supply of ammunition. To that end I ordered 2 more spam cans of 7.62x54R giving me a total of 1,760 rounds which will last an easy 5 years at my level of shooting 7.62x54R.
KLYDE
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In these TROUBLED TIMES, I would certainly want to have plenty of ammo for every gun I own. If SHTF you can use your AK's as clubs.
Granted, most of the shortages we are experiencing are self induced. Still a shortage. Still means no ammo. Doesn't matter what the cause.
Most likely another Democratic President on the horizon. (you know who). Who knows what will happen then. I want to be holding heavy. Period.
Granted, most of the shortages we are experiencing are self induced. Still a shortage. Still means no ammo. Doesn't matter what the cause.
Most likely another Democratic President on the horizon. (you know who). Who knows what will happen then. I want to be holding heavy. Period.
OK
OK, I'll try to buy a 7.62 rifle ASAP
QUICK!!! HURRY!!! In addition to the 22 LR, buy all the 7.62 ammo ammo you can find, even if you don't need it!!!!!
I have a feeling there is going to be a shortage!!!
Spread the unfounded rumor so everyone gets this information too before it is too late!!!
OK, I'll try to buy a 7.62 rifle ASAP
I stocked up years ago. I accounted for some of the primer shortage in the recent past as I bought a bunch of federal pistol primers. lack of ammo doesn't bother me either. load all my own and as stated have a lifetime supply. haven't bought any 22lr since all this started, have plenty so left my share for someone else who may not have any. good luck to all. we may need before long.
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