I did not realize that -- but that is right at the top end of what I said I thought the market would bear in the opening post.
PPC-9 market price adjustment
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I thought that sold by Lewis Family Firearms?
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Yes I did buy another long slide about 18 months ago. It is still at smith and wesson for a repair. I bought it as a companion for my 5 inch PPC. Then my wife decided we need another one. I have some really nice pistols, and I love to shoot. These things are the best shooting pistols I own. they are a true joy to shoot and to own. My first one, the five inch, was originally owned by a friend who was a police officer and shot competitively. After he passed I got the chance to buy it from the family. I bought it because I knew it was his prize pistol. I had never shot it and had no idea. When I first took it out and shot it I was hooked. So my recommendation is if you have never shot one, don't, there is no going back.
LoL, I am sure they are hell of a shooter and am sure you are right. I thought my recent addition of my CZ TSO was expensive and shoots insanely accurate lol. One day will add a 952 to my 9mm lineup but the PPC probably not lol
Last night, three elite, PC Limited target guns sold on Gunbroker. The subject of this thread, the PPC-9 long slide, was sold by Lewis Family Firearms. The second run PC 845 Limited "Model of 1998" and the Model 952-1 were both sold by Sarah15, our forum's jjbrewst1. Both of these sellers are well known on Gunbroker for a no-risk shot at AMAZING firearms.
That's why these guys and their auctions garner high top ends that most of us can't get if we sell on Gunbroker.
There are some buyers with the kind of budget that is willing to pay, and pay handsomely for a low-risk deal from a highly respected seller.
That's why these guys and their auctions garner high top ends that most of us can't get if we sell on Gunbroker.
There are some buyers with the kind of budget that is willing to pay, and pay handsomely for a low-risk deal from a highly respected seller.
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I think you are mostly right on the above but a really rare gun like the PPC9 in fine condition I think would sell by a small time but trusted seller on GB for very close to the prices the big auction sellers get. Here is why: if you want it you have to get it where it is available. Also I think the PPC9s have been undervalued for a long time and may now be getting what their value really is. They often were selling for less than a 952 and they are a lot harder to get and carry that LE only mystique. FWIW
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I think you are mostly right on the above but a really rare gun like the PPC9 in fine condition I think would sell by a small time but trusted seller on GB for very close to the prices the big auction sellers get. Here is why: if you want it you have to get it where it is available. Also I think the PPC9s have been undervalued for a long time and may now be getting what their value really is. They often were selling for less than a 952 and they are a lot harder to get and carry that LE only mystique. FWIW
That's one argument and it has merit. On the flip side... could you imagine a bidding war between two potential buyers on a long slide PPC-9 that takes the final price to $8,000 -- approaching double top market, if the Gunbroker seller had a feedback rating of 11?
I cannot.
19 auctions out of 20, if exactly the same thing were offered by Sarah15 or Lewis Family, they are going to see higher - MUCH higher final bid price than random Gunbroker seller with a two-digit feedback rating.
I agree that the PPC-9 is particularly interesting because of the way the new guns had to be obtained, but that isn't the only factor. There are more PPC-9's in existence than some other rare PC models such as the SD-series of pistols.
I cannot.
19 auctions out of 20, if exactly the same thing were offered by Sarah15 or Lewis Family, they are going to see higher - MUCH higher final bid price than random Gunbroker seller with a two-digit feedback rating.
I agree that the PPC-9 is particularly interesting because of the way the new guns had to be obtained, but that isn't the only factor. There are more PPC-9's in existence than some other rare PC models such as the SD-series of pistols.
Actually I can imagine making a top bid on a PPC9 longslide for an auction by an 11 feedback as long as it had good pictures and the normal non firing inspection period. If I were going to bid on a rare pistol that almost never comes up and had the cash and desire it would make almost no difference to me as long as it was there to bid on. I expect I am not alone.
Honestly, I think that you and I would be shopping with VERY similar styles, if not exactly the same. But it's my position that there are folks out there that are shopping with -MUCH- less regard to price than, well, almost all the other factors.
I certainly agree that you and I and bidders, shoppers and owners like us are a large and motivated group, but at the same time, I don't believe it's guys from our group that win the auctions by the two aforementioned Gunbroker sellers.
Me, I love checking out Sarah15's offerings constantly and watching many of them get near the end is pure Sunday night fun. And I have personally recommended him to others in this forum multiple times. But yet, in all the PC that I'm fortunate to own and in the many S&W that I have, I haven't bought a single one from his auctions, because even when I bid, I get priced out. My budget won't get me in there.
But it's my position that there are folks out there that are shopping with -MUCH- less regard to price than, well, almost all the other factors.I certainly agree that you and I and bidders, shoppers and owners like us are a large and motivated group, but at the same time, I don't believe it's guys from our group that win the auctions by the two aforementioned Gunbroker sellers.
Me, I love checking out Sarah15's offerings constantly and watching many of them get near the end is pure Sunday night fun. And I have personally recommended him to others in this forum multiple times. But yet, in all the PC that I'm fortunate to own and in the many S&W that I have, I haven't bought a single one from his auctions, because even when I bid, I get priced out. My budget won't get me in there.
Hello PASNYDER, the fellow who original owned that 5906 LS is a member of this forum. He has sold an older 5" ppc 9 here before. I hope they were selling it for him, so he would get that type money. Great guy, great PPC competitor for many years.
There are probably quite a few 6" ppc 9s out there that have seen very little use. Here may be the reason. A LOT of shooters had the 5" PPC9 and were happy , and they shot great, but then 6" model guns were approved for open class competition. If you were a top shooter you need to squeeze every advantage you can, so a lot of guys myself included, immediately ordered 9mm longslides from either a custom builder ( Alan Tanaka)on the west coast or a company like Springfield or STI, you could really bump up the weight by either adding a bull barrel or rib or a full length dust cover etc. I had mine built with a lever trigger, so it would feel more like the PPC9.
So a lot of people had a longslide before S/Ws came out. We still bought a 6" PPC 9, just in case and as a back up, because of the price , about 1200 with tax in 2002.
I sighted mine in at 25 and 50, cleaned it and put it in the safe. Im sure other did about the same , so there should be some nice ones out there... Good Luck..Bob
There are probably quite a few 6" ppc 9s out there that have seen very little use. Here may be the reason. A LOT of shooters had the 5" PPC9 and were happy , and they shot great, but then 6" model guns were approved for open class competition. If you were a top shooter you need to squeeze every advantage you can, so a lot of guys myself included, immediately ordered 9mm longslides from either a custom builder ( Alan Tanaka)on the west coast or a company like Springfield or STI, you could really bump up the weight by either adding a bull barrel or rib or a full length dust cover etc. I had mine built with a lever trigger, so it would feel more like the PPC9.
So a lot of people had a longslide before S/Ws came out. We still bought a 6" PPC 9, just in case and as a back up, because of the price , about 1200 with tax in 2002.
I sighted mine in at 25 and 50, cleaned it and put it in the safe. Im sure other did about the same , so there should be some nice ones out there... Good Luck..Bob
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Word on the street is... that Lewis Family may have purchased that package at auction for $3,000.
Auction fees notwithstanding, turning a cool five grand profit and/or nearly tripling your investment isn't a bad business plan.
Auction fees notwithstanding, turning a cool five grand profit and/or nearly tripling your investment isn't a bad business plan.
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Seeing that almost makes me want to sell my unfired five-inch DPA 5906.
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Yes, they made a bunch of those. I have two 4-inch DPAs.
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I can tell you from my angle as a passionate fan of PC pistols that the IDPA 5906's (and 5903's?!?) are rarely seen on Gunbroker. In the forums we talk about 952's a lot and we know they are scarce pistols but a 952 appears twenty-fold to any of the DPA pistols.
To be clear, I am not suggesting that a DPA-5906 is a "better" or more valuable gun than a 952, but until someone witha a Roy Jinks letter can show production units, it's my opinion that DPA-5906's are exceedingly rare and hard as heck to find.
To be clear, I am not suggesting that a DPA-5906 is a "better" or more valuable gun than a 952, but until someone witha a Roy Jinks letter can show production units, it's my opinion that DPA-5906's are exceedingly rare and hard as heck to find.
Saw it but there were many key differences that explains the price.
First of all, the long slide package was the entire kit & kaboodle and even included the hard to find outer carton with end label. The Target Champion had nothing with it... no case, no goodies.
Rarity... sure, the WISCHO gun was built for export and are hard to find but the six inch guns are the top tier of PC pistols.
Seller -- the Target Champion had a seller with a two-digit feedback rating, just another faceless seller on Gunbroker. The long slide was offered by a known and respected seller.
Lastly... haha, there was no crazy "almost double market" bidding war this time. I think the #2 bidder from the long slide won this one.
First of all, the long slide package was the entire kit & kaboodle and even included the hard to find outer carton with end label. The Target Champion had nothing with it... no case, no goodies.
Rarity... sure, the WISCHO gun was built for export and are hard to find but the six inch guns are the top tier of PC pistols.
Seller -- the Target Champion had a seller with a two-digit feedback rating, just another faceless seller on Gunbroker. The long slide was offered by a known and respected seller.
Lastly... haha, there was no crazy "almost double market" bidding war this time. I think the #2 bidder from the long slide won this one.
Yep I hear you on having complete package with shipping carton with label but most guys probably want one of these to shoot and enjoy more than collect. I know I fall into the 1st one myself. Also most of the exports good luck getting the original box with them, just don't see the export models with all the goodies. I know some folks care about the sellers but as long as a seller has all positive feedback and nice clear pictures and
descriptions doubt there is that much difference imo.
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