Pre 26 model 1950 Finally-range results

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Picked this up at the Berea gun show this morning, been watching the internet for a while. Part of an estate. Never expected to see one this nice for sale at a local gun show. Timing great and hasn't been shot much. Grips match, very clean gun. Sold the one I had yrs ago at the NE Ohio Bunch to someone in PA. Gonna shoot it Tuesday morning at the NOSC retired guys shoot. Happy camper here. Will go nicely with the Transitional 38/44 Outdoorsman down stairs, Larry.
 

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Clang444, do you have one? The last one shot great, didn't shoot it much so I sold it. The model of 1950 is a nice classic looking gun. If it was in 44, it would have cost more. Loading and emptying moon clips doesn't bother me.

Need to load more 200 gr RN with 4.0 gr of 231, I'm a wimp for recoil. May take the KB grips off another gun and put them on this one. Wish the "new" Range USA would open 1.3 miles away, would shoot it tomorrow. Oiled it this evening, clean under the grips. Larry
 
Larry,

You know how I feel about the Model 1950, 45 ACP Target revolver. Great revolvers! What is the serial, I will see if I have it in my database.

Oh, here is mine,

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I like Magnas and a grip adapter, for looks and for shooting.


Kevin
 
I had a chance to spend some time in Berea while I was working TDY in Cleveland with NASA...beautiful country and a fun little city! I wish I could say that I had more .45 ACP revolvers, but I only have a Model of 1917 and a 6-1/2" Model 25-2. They're a lot of fun to shoot and it's a great caliber. I've come close to getting my hands on a 1950 .45 Target Model and a Model 26, but they seem to elude me! Enjoy!
 
…I had a chance to spend some time in Berea while I was working TDY in Cleveland with NASA...beautiful country and a fun little city!…

If you were at the Lewis Research Center, it is adjacent to the Metro Parks, aka the Emerald Necklace. Very nice parks. That section of Ohio is very near the Cuyahoga National Park, the only NP in Ohio.

… I wish I could say that I had more .45 ACP revolvers, but I only have a Model of 1917 and a 6-1/2" Model 25-2. They're a lot of fun to shoot and it's a great caliber. I've come close to getting my hands on a 1950 .45 Target Model and a Model 26, but they seem to elude me! Enjoy!

Don't worry, you might get this one! Larry will get tired of it, or see another shiny thing. If he doesn't offer it to me, you might get it!

Kevin
 
Picked this up at the Berea gun show this morning, been watching the internet for a while. Part of an estate. Never expected to see one this nice for sale at a local gun show. Timing great and hasn't been shot much. Grips match, very clean gun. Sold the one I had yrs ago at the NE Ohio Bunch to someone in PA. Gonna shoot it Tuesday morning at the NOSC retired guys shoot. Happy camper here. Will go nicely with the Transitional 38/44 Outdoorsman down stairs, Larry.


Beautiful piece. I'm always keeping my open for one!
 
Hey Kevin, the stags look great on your .45, from bigmtnman? Don't hold your breath on this pre 26, was a foolish man to let the other one go. But then, hmmm, you never know.

The gun was for sale for 1500, I offered 1350 which was a good price after seeing what was for sale on the internet. The woman that inherited a gun collection couldn't say YES fast enough. Wish I would have said 1300. Didn't have a screw driver to get the grips off and was afraid to find rust under them like in the past. Actually was fair to her , she sold another gun of many she inherited. Larry
 
Hey Kevin, the stags look great on your .45, from bigmtnman? Don't hold your breath on this pre 26, was a foolish man to let the other one go. But then, hmmm, you never know.

The gun was for sale for 1500, I offered 1350 which was a good price after seeing what was for sale on the internet. The woman that inherited a gun collection couldn't say YES fast enough. Wish I would have said 1300. Didn't have a screw driver to get the grips off and was afraid to find rust under them like in the past. Actually was fair to her , she sold another gun of many she inherited. Larry


Yes, the grips are from Ken. I believe they are the last set of caribou he made. Not able to get the antlers in the correct size for N frames.

We ALL wish we had offered $50 or $100 less!

Good catch.

Kevin
 
Clang444, do you have one? The last one shot great, didn't shoot it much so I sold it. The model of 1950 is a nice classic looking gun. If it was in 44, it would have cost more. Loading and emptying moon clips doesn't bother me.

Need to load more 200 gr RN with 4.0 gr of 231, I'm a wimp for recoil. May take the KB grips off another gun and put them on this one. Wish the "new" Range USA would open 1.3 miles away, would shoot it tomorrow. Oiled it this evening, clean under the grips. Larry

Yes - I have a pre-26 with 6.5" barrel. Mine likes jacketed ammo and shoots like a guided missile, at least it did for me until my Parkinson's started affecting my shooting. Recoil is not bad using 230 grain ball ammo.
 
Seriously, Larry, that's one nice 1950 target .45!
The old ones I've personally seen generally have cylinder throats .001-.002" over bore diameter. Perfect for cast bullet accuracy!
These guns were built specifically for 2700 Bullseye match shooting.
They pose some unique challenges for accuracy-minded handloaders, but there's a few tricks to get the most out of them. This, and the 1955 target .45 are the only target revolvers made by S&W that have a sharp headspacing shoulder in each chamber, rather than the more funnel-like shoulder as used with rimmed cartridges!
Here's some of my tricks:

-Besides measuring the cylinder throats, measure the chamber depths (from cylinder breech to the sharp shoulder for casemouth headspacing) and add that to the headspacing gap between the firing pin bushing and the breechface of the cylinder. That's your maximum case length. Your brass needs to be close to that by a few thousandths of an inch. The more consistent, the better.

-Often, 45 auto rim brass is a little too short. Check and sort! You definitely don't want an excessive gap between the casemouth and that sharp shoulder in the chamber. Your accuracy will suffer when the bullet gets shaved!

-If you use (half) moon clips, flatten them out and thin them by lapping them with sandpaper laying on a dead flat surface. Those clips are for ejecting the brass. If used for headspacing, accuracy will suffer, especially if they are not perfectly flat.
If you do use ACP, and don't mind plucking out each empty one by one, so long as your case length matches the chamber/headspacing you'll get fine accuracy w/o the clips.

-Another approach with brass for best accuracy is to use trimmed-down 45 Colt brass. You trim it to within a couple thousandths less than the headspacing figure determined in the first step.
The loaded ammo with this brass headspaces off of the casemouth not the rim!!! In fact, you will notice an odd looking gap between the rim and the cylinder breech. That's OK! The rim is for ejection only.
If you're using cast bullets specifically sized to your cylinder throats, this method will get the driving band perfectly centered with the cylinder throats. With a SWC, you may need to give them a little press to fully seat them in the chamber. There is zero gap between the casemouth and the headspacing shoulder in the chamber.
With a good, quality target load you will be amazed at the accuracy!!

With sloppy handloading technique, be warned that my methods might give you problems. Oversized, crooked, or canted bullets won't shoot accurately and may cause the casehead to bind on the recoil shield. If your sizing die is undersized to where there is a bulge in your loaded ammo equal to where the bullet base is, you may experience problems. Also, lead shavings around the casemouth from sloppy bullet seating and/or crimping will definitely cause trouble.
I think this is what led to S&W opening up their cylinder throats and deepening the chamber cuts on the later 25-2. They probably got tired of inattentive handloaders complaining about malfunctions with their finely fitted target revolvers when the real problem was their ammo.

These are great guns that can shoot amazingly well.
Enjoy!! :cool:
 
The gun shot good today with 200 gr SWC and 5.0 gr of 231. Eliminate the 4 flinch shots and actually a good target for me at 50ft offhand. Happy with the results.

The 200 gr lead RN with 5 gr 231 keyholed 10 out of 15. Any idea why?? Will reduce to 4 gr of 231 for less recoil.

Also shot a newly acquired T/C octagon contender barrel in 9mm, Larry
 

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Keyholing can be attributed to many things. I have found that a short bearing surface throws the balance out of whack. Is it a pointy or blunt round nose?

Kevin
 
The bad thing is I bought and kept only 200 gr Round Nose because they fed into the .45 revolvers nicely with clips. Have maybe 500 of the 200 gr SWC's and will have to save them for the pre 26. The 625's handle the RN great. The RN also feed and shoot good in the 1911's I have. Larry
 
Which SWC bullets did you get? There are many suppliers and most have some form of the 200 grain SWC. Many, but not all, Are copies of the H&G 68 bullet.

Kevin
 
The gun shot good today with 200 gr SWC and 5.0 gr of 231. Eliminate the 4 flinch shots and actually a good target for me at 50ft offhand. Happy with the results.

The 200 gr lead RN with 5 gr 231 keyholed 10 out of 15. Any idea why?? Will reduce to 4 gr of 231 for less recoil.

Also shot a newly acquired T/C octagon contender barrel in 9mm, Larry

Maybe try some different bullets. Those are not working right. What diameter are they?
 
6string my Model 1950 .45 Target "Pre-Model 26" which dates to 1956 has cylinder throats that measure .455". Accuracy is OK but could probably be improved. I'll try your suggestions.

Interestingly enough, I also have a USFA Single Action .45 in .45 Colt that came with a factory optional spare cylinder in .45 ACP. The throats in that cylinder measure a tight .451". I have not tried any cast bullets, just factory 230 gr. hardball but at 7 yards it cuts cloverleafs. The limiting factor is the traditional crude fixed sights. I was quite surprised given the long jump through the throats to the forcing cone as of course the cylinder is of .45 Colt length but it shows what precise manufacturing and careful fitting can accomplish in that 150 year old single action design.
 

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