blanda1
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Pre Model 27 Any Value Left
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The B next to the diamond in the ejector shroud means it went back to S&W for a blue refinish.
As best I can tell from your description the only serial # surviving completely intact might be a serial # under the ejector star on the cylinder? If that's the case I have a 10 foot pole that wouldn't be touching it. Based upon my best recollections of gun laws that gun is not legal given the altered serial numbers (?). Check it out for yourself. I'm surprised your gunsmith didn't say something about the serial numbers. It would probably have some value for parts but I can't imagine much value from the altered cylinder. I'll look at the laws again and edit this post later.
Below are excerpts from the U.S. Justice Department Quick Reference guide regarding legally owning firearms:
QUICK REFERENCE TO
FEDERAL FIREARMS LAWS
VI. KNOWINGLY POSSESS OR MANUFACTURE:
G. Any firearm which lacks a serial number or contains an altered or obliterated serial
number.
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SAFireman
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The diamond mark usually indicates a replacement part.
I agree with this. The "B" indicates that it was originally shipped as a blue finished gun.
If it were mine I would contact a friend in law enforcement and run the serial number that you know to be correct. If it comes up with a hit I'd surrender it and hope that it makes it back to the original owner. You'd have to tell them where you got it but the gunsmith put you in a very vulnerable position by not telling you it was there and about it having the obliterated serial numbers. If it doesn't come back hot I'd just get a gunsmith to restamp the serial number on the butt. There is no law that requires the number to be on the cylinder or ejector rod housing, obviously.
Art Doc
SWCA Member, Absent Comrade
Serial numbers are ground off?
No, it has no value. It's stolen property.
No, it has no value. It's stolen property.
And I disagree with this----just to stir the pot! And it's not that I know exactly what the diamond does mean---only what it doesn't mean.
My first brand new, store-bought S&W is a K-22---with the matte blue finish. I didn't want that finish, but it was take it or wait six months for a special order in bright blue. Given all the wisdom and patience of an 18 year old, I took it----and then sent it back to the factory for a proper "bright blue" finish. It came back---"a thing of beauty and a joy forever"----and I still have it.
Here are the extra markings on the gun: <>s------(and) 460
Here's what was done to the gun: Refinished from matte to "bright" blue-----and gone through "to make it as perfect as it can be". Near as I can tell, that consisted of changing the timing such that (as of right now) it has no turn line, excepting a very faint line 3/32" long just before the scalloped lead into the cylinder stop notch at each chamber----and that's after about a half a box car full of ammo has been run through it.
Ralph Tremaine
OK had the serial number ran through the state firearms stolen data base...NO RECORDS.....As for the other "grind offs" the frame although cut down to make it a round butt shows the SN # perfectly and the ejector SN matches the frame's SN correctly. According to local law enforcement the lack of SN on the crane and the barrel shroud is a NON-ISSUE ....
The serial number on the butt is the one that counts.
DWalt
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I'm not clear on what serial number it still has. If the one on the butt is intact, that's the only one necessary to make it legal. Presence or absence of a SN in any other locations makes no difference in that regard.
Jack Flash
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I thought in your original post (now missing) you said the "S" of the serial number on the butt was ground off when the butt frame was rounded (?) I am no expert and I am no lawyer but I would be concerned that constitutes modifying / defacing the serial number.
just because the thief was too stupid to know there was a s.n. under the grips..........
Exactly, running the number without the "S" and not getting a hit does not pass the kosher test. That is what I meant when I said running the number you know to be correct and then stamping the number. The complete number. With the S obviously.
Most police officers on the street , especially the younger ones, aren't going to realize that N frames have a serial number beginning with an S or an N. To rely on this would be dishonest to say the least.
In any case where the possibility exists of a stolen gun , getting it back to the rightful owner is first and foremost.
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