Lee
Maybe it is time to close this thread. Good grief, the horse is dead.
Thanks.
"Pre" Models
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Lee
Maybe it is time to close this thread. Good grief, the horse is dead.
Thanks.
sigp220.45
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At one time I was carrying the oldest gun on active duty in the FBI. I had purchased a 3 1/2” pre-war non-registered Magnum originally shipped to the St Joseph, MO police department, made in 1940. At the time no personally owned revolvers made prior to 1959 were authorized, with the caveat “except N frames”. Hot dog! I fired off the paperwork, which bounced promptly back because I didn’t list a model number.
No sweat! Model 27 it is! Approved! This was about 1992.
I carried that cannon for years. Then they cut down the number of POWs agents could have and I dropped it.
Someone here bought it. If you see this tell it I said hi.
No sweat! Model 27 it is! Approved! This was about 1992.
I carried that cannon for years. Then they cut down the number of POWs agents could have and I dropped it.
Someone here bought it. If you see this tell it I said hi.
You guys should call this fellow and jack him up because he has done so much to popularize the term!
Let us know how he takes it. \/ \/ \/
ABSOLUTELY! Those who would look down their noses at us unwashed heathen masses for using "pre" model terminology need to reach out to Roy (and Lee) to school him about correcting the error of his ways!
This old horse will only be good and truly dead when folks get over it, quit making a divisive issue of it, and let it FINALLY die. Instead of clutching their pearls and resurrecting it over and over and over.
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Well the good news is there’s no term police here, so anybody can use whatever terms they like.
I find it interesting that a bunch of "gun nuts" can have a discussion about the usage of words when 54% of adults in this country can't read above the 6th grade level and that 21% are functionally illiterate.
Yeah, pretty ironic when you consider how the MSM characterizes us gun owners as a bunch of backwards, ignorant, rednecks, huh?I find it interesting that a bunch of "gun nuts" can have a discussion about the usage of words when 54% of adults in this country can't read above the 6th grade level and that 21% are functionally illiterate.
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You forgot to say unable to spell properly in that statement.
I recently did a transfer on a Model of 1950 .44 Target or .44 Hand Ejector 4th Model Target or Pre-Model 24. My FFL is also a good friend who quipped "Why do they have so many names for their revolvers?" I just shrugged and said everything has a following and people hang names on them that suites them. Then I told him that the Model of 1950 could be a .38, .44 or a .45...
The spelling and the ability to spell actually has very little to do with the ability to read and understand
Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn’t mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
Oh there’s some that have a beef with “Post War Transitional” even though there’s a column that clearly describes it in the SCSW.
Factory model names are fine as far as they go. But recognize that the factory was not keen on advertising every change that might make earlier models appear inferior.
Once you describe a model using factory model names, then for more precise identification you have collector descriptions/terms such as year model, change numbers, Transitional, screw count, etc.
Factory model names are fine as far as they go. But recognize that the factory was not keen on advertising every change that might make earlier models appear inferior.
Once you describe a model using factory model names, then for more precise identification you have collector descriptions/terms such as year model, change numbers, Transitional, screw count, etc.
I understand completely. I just had to read it four times for total comprehension.
Ya, it isn't easy. but it explains how people understand my posts. I don't misspell as much as hit the wrong keys. That and the fact that I can think faster than I can type. 
Why should I actually practice in Mrs Hoffman's typing class? I was only there because there were lots of girls in typing classes. DUH
Why should I pay attention and learn how to speak Spanish? Nobody in Montana speaks Spanish except the Mexicans who came in the summer to hoe sugar beets. DUH
Why should I pay attention to Doc Luther when he taught poetry? Still wondering about that one.
Why should I actually practice in Mrs Hoffman's typing class? I was only there because there were lots of girls in typing classes. DUH
Why should I pay attention and learn how to speak Spanish? Nobody in Montana speaks Spanish except the Mexicans who came in the summer to hoe sugar beets. DUH
Why should I pay attention to Doc Luther when he taught poetry? Still wondering about that one.
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Ya, it isn't easy. but it explains how people understand my posts. I don't misspell as much as hit the wrong keys. That and the fact that I can think faster than I can type.
Why should I actually practice in Mrs Hoffman's typing class? I was only there because there were lots of girls in typing classes. DUH
Why should I pay attention and learn how to speak Spanish? Nobody in Montana speaks Spanish except the Mexicans who came in the summer to hoe sugar beets. DUH
Why should I pay attention to Doc Luther when he taught poetry? Still wondering about that one.
Flunked Spanish in my junior year. I blame it all on Debbie Gatto who sat next to me in lab, with the little sound proof walls so teacher couldn't see.
I have a mid 50's pre-27 on hold at an lgs....think I'll post the pics in this thread when it comes home......
EDIT: I looked closer, decided it wasn't the one for me. Still on the hunt!
EDIT: I looked closer, decided it wasn't the one for me. Still on the hunt!
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That was easy to read, because I can’t spell for a hill of beans. It has little to do with my reading comprehension or literacy. But it does keep my emails short a work.
For me, the only “pre” I look for is “pre-lock”.
Did S&W ever mark a Model XX no dash? Or is "no dash" an acceptable description?
Sure. The first version of pretty much every model number marked revolver was a "no dash".
The model numbers for the first generation revolvers looked like this
MOD 27
MOD 28
MOD 36
MOD 17
MOD 57
etc.
None of those model numbers had a -x and are considered "no dash" models.
I'm not sure whether or not that answers your question...
Sorry, I was being sarcastic and didn't word it well. My point is I see "no dash" stated often and it doesn't seem to create the stir that "pre" does.
Because it’s courtesy, it’s helpful information, and there’s no misinterpretation about what it clearly means.
Example: Often people start a thread about a gun but no photos and give just the model number (without the dash number) even though it might have a dash number.
The thread originators ask questions, age, value, etc. So of course experienced readers (knowing the above, especially with newbies) ask if there’s a dash number to confirm exactly which vintage gun it is.
Therefore when more conscientious members post about a model numbered gun they declare the dash number if there is in one or confirm there is “no dash number “ as a courtesy to readers.
See the difference?
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