Pre-war Magnum

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Hi guys. Just joined the forum, made my introductions and thought and thought I'd lead off with this as my first substantive post.

I've only taken up a handgun license in the last couple of years and am busy trying to tick off all my childhood dreams while I have the chance. Most recently I spotted an interesting lot at a local antique arms auction, did a bit of homework and decided it was worth a bid or two. Ended up with the revolver you see pictured below.

It is a 4" N frame .357, serial number 608xx. If I've read my "Standard Catalog" correctly that means you'd call it a Pre-war non-registered magnum, probably built around 1940. It shows a lot of fine handling marks that suggest a lot of reasonably careful use. It was originally wearing a trigger shoe and a set of really nice early combat grips with almost no handling marks or finish wear. The right hand panel has serial number 382xx. Considering the mismatched number on the grips and their much better finish than the revolver I thought I'd put them somewhere safe and replaced them with the stags. Leaving the grips aside serial numbers match in all other places I know to look (lug recess under the barrel, cylinder face, under the ejector star, bottom of grip frame).

This is definitely a revolver I will want to letter, just need to figure out how to do that. I'm open to comments or advice on the possible history of the gun. Am I right to think the 4" barrel length would have been a special order at this time? I'm also wondering, based on my reading, whether this might have been part of an order for the Kansas City police.

In any case, its amazing what will turn up in a local arms auction in Australia. You can bet that I'm happy I stopped for a look.
 

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Welcome to the forum!

That is one heck of a first post!

The only way to know for sure when & where it was shipped is to get a letter from Roy Jinks. Follow up the letter with a bit of research at the Historical Foundation and see what they turn up.

That Non-reg mag looks like a fine shooter :)
 
A hearty welcome to the forum, you do have a 4" non-registered magnum. At that time the barrel lengths were standardized at 3 1/2", 5" 6", 6 1/2", and 8 3/8". A 4" would have been a special order. I have a 4" non-registered magnum with serial# 60203 that was shipped on December 19,1939. Your revolver was most likely shipped in early 1940.
Bill
 

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Looks like the prefect "shooter grade" NRM........ reminds me of my Dad's 1939 6inch Colt New Service in .357magnum.... that served as his primary uniform duty gun into the late 60s....honest wear on a gun the owner was proud to own and carry.
 
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MAB93, a number of NRM's in the 608xx serial number range are known KCPD guns per Timothy Mullin's Magnum book. Those listed in the book were 4" and they shipped to the KCPD on 01-30-1940. A factory letter will confirm.


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I'm glad to see good news from Melbourne this week. Saw on the TV news about the horrible asthma outbreak there following a thunderstorm that caused a lot of rye pollen to be released.


I watch re-runs of, "Blue Heelers" on YouTube. Looks like Victoria state gets cold in winter.The cops on the show had S&W M-10's, the heavy barrel option.


Can you shoot any animals there with a handgun? Maybe rabbits? Foxes? I checked a map of saltwater croc distribution in Australia and they don't get that far south, which I guess is why they fish and swim in the river on, "Blue Heelers".


Congratulations on getting a remarkable gun.


Is your board name related to French MAB guns?
 
Bracebeemer, I think a handgun showing its age and signs of honest, careful use is a wonderful thing but then there's a lot to be said for one in really fine condition too. Yours is a beaut. The holster is brilliant too. I don't know enough to be sure of the maker. Could you let us in on who made it?

Doc44, Thanks for the lead on the letter, I've got one on the way now.

Texas Star, yes we get a bit of snow in the high country in Victoria during winter. As for hunting with handguns, well our laws are state based with loose similarities across the nation. Rules might be different for International tourist hunters (I don't know) but there is no legal sporting use of handguns for hunting in Victoria. You may be in possession of a registered handgun at its nominated storage location, at an approved handgun range for the purpose of participation in an approved target shooting competition or practice. You may also possess for the purpose of collecting. You learn to live with it. Any more comment should probably be saved for another forum.

And my board name is just related to my initials and the fact that I'm just a bit over the top about 9.3mm rifle cartridges. Don't get me started....;)
 
Mario, thanks for the kind words. The holster was made by S.D.Myres of El Paso Texas. They called it the "Tom Threepersons" holster named after a Texas Ranger who designed it. Myers is long out of business.
Bill
 
Mario, your revolver was last sold at auction, in Melbourne, in October 2007. It came from the collection of Dr. Colin Dobson, a Queensland collector who died that year.
Colin was retired from his position as Chairman of the Department of Parasitology at the University of Queensland and had a large firearms collection including many S&W's. His guns were sold over two auctions in Oct. 2007 and May 2008. He was a good friend of several American collectors including opoefc on this Forum and was a member of the S.&W.C.A.
I purchased quite a few guns from his collection including two fine condition RM's and a postwar transitional .357.

I see Ed. C. (opoefc) has mentioned in another thread that he has some prewar .357 stocks with a number close to yours. The Service Stocks on the gun when you purchased would date to about 1931. I have a Heavy Duty #37837 that shipped Feb. 28, 1931.


Regards,
Frank.
 
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MAB93, As Frank mentioned above, my old and dear friend of many years past, Colin Dobson, bought many S&Ws from me in his travels across the pond to the USA. I recall several .357 magnums, and your gun may well have been one Colin acquired from me or though my license. Colin was well connected to the local Police in Brisbane area and would come to my house each year with a fist full of handgun permits to import S&Ws back to Australian. The missing blank on the form was the serial number so guns he would buy would be left with me until the next trip and he would return home with the guns bought the prior trip that now had their permits with the serial numbers filled in. When Colin's guns were auctioned off in Melbourne I was lucky enough to buy many of his favorite S&Ws, but not all. You gun could well be a Kansas City Police gun. Ed.
 
Mario, thanks for the kind words. The holster was made by S.D.Myres of El Paso Texas. They called it the "Tom Threepersons" holster named after a Texas Ranger who designed it. Myers is long out of business.
Bill

FWIW, the legendary Tom Threepersons was a Texas lawman, but he was never a TEXAS RANGER.
 
What I find interesting about this is how S&W revolvers got spread around the world. People show up here asking questions from almost every corner of the planet.They have probably been used to shoot seal in Antarctica and on the Arctic ice cap.
 
It is a 4" N frame .357, serial number 608xx. If I've read my "Standard Catalog" correctly that means you'd call it a Pre-war non-registered magnum, probably built around 1940. It shows a lot of fine handling marks that suggest a lot of reasonably careful use.

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As a collector of the 357 Magnum (both the pre- and post-war varieties), I love your Magnum - It has that "been there, done that" kind of attitude! The way you have it configured and the light you have it in, reminds me of one of my post-war 357 descendants - a 1950's Highway Patrolman...

 
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