Prewar Restore not Refinish, opinions?

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I just got these two back from Glenrock Blue. I have been practicing metal preparation since I paid Hamilton Bowen to restore a registered magnum several years ago. I hung around his shop a couple of hours and he showed me some very basic techniques that I tried to implement with these two. First off, I am no Hamilton Bowen and he would not have taken these in to work on them. These are my 5th and 6th attempts at restoration. Both guns had been refinished at least once and maybe twice each who did a poor job before I got them. The 1917 had a wallered out top hole, pins flattened and at least two partial finishes on it. The M&P had been completely nickeled and had to be stripped and the edges sharpened without damaging the logo, seams or pins.

Here are the prework pictures of both:
 

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Restored

Here is the 1917 after I got it back together this afternoon:
 

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Here is the M&P, I really like the way it came out!
 

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I certainly couldn't produce as good a result as I see on both these guns!

Very nicely done!
 
Very nice. How was the top of the side plate fixed on the 1917? Did you do that or Glenrock? Who ever did that it is impressive how well it came out.
They both look great.
 
I did everything but the bluing. I hired Glenrock to dip it only. Side plates are difficult and when you see an over buffed area that has the screw holes dished like that, it becomes a challenge. You generally can only take away metal instead of adding it. So, a b*****d file with no screws in the plate and a few thousandths of an inch, which is very safe in that area to do without affecting the integrity of the frame. You then use block sanding starting with 220 grit and working your way to 400 and then higher if you want. The hard part is to keep everything flat and even. If you don't keep it flat, you will get subtle waves which look bad. Kinda like sheetrock work, except on a small scale. When I saw some of Hamilton's gunsmiths using a large b*****d file, I could not believe my eyes, but that is how you remove metal. No electric devices!
The 1917 had dings, cuts, and corrosion all over it. My pictures do not show any of that and actually look much better than it was at that point.

edit: The file's name is being edited by the software thinking it is a curse word.
 
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Nice work!
The fewer times you have to go over a surface, the flatter you will keep that surface (speaking in terms of filing and polishing)
So a rough/coarse cut file takesof matrl quickly and levels the area with just a few strokes. That's what you want to do.
Then you finish up with Sharp, finer cut files and then the grit cloth.

I stress Sharp files too. Dull files are the same as using a fine cut file to remove alot of material.
You spend a lot of time going over and over the same area. In that time you gradually round over edges or take the area down less than perfectly than you want to. More work

Polishing with grit cloth will round edges just as well so matter what you use to back it up.
The cloth has a thickness and that thickness rolls itself ever so slightly as it is stroked across the surfaces,,,back and forth. No matter how tightly you hold it wrapped around a stick, file or other backer.
The clean sharp edges get slightly rounded over. They just do.

The clean sharp edges on factory polishing is from belt grinder work mostly. The final polishes are/were done with hard leather faced wheels at high surface speed.
Very little metal surface to belt/wheel time involved so less chances of rounded over edges .
But it takes a lot of experience,,,one reason the polishers were among the highest paid labor in the factories at one time.

It's easy to ruin a piece on a belt or wheel. It's also not very likely the average shop can have available all the necessary contoured wheels and size belts in all of the grits necessary for every gun out there so that they can all be redone correctly.
That's the reason some restoration shops do some guns and refuse to do others. Some configurations just easier to do that's all.
DA revolvers are not in the easy to do catagory.
Lots of odd contours makes for a lot of specially shaped wheels for each. plus one for each Grit when polishing.
No using the same wheel with different grit. A different wheel contoured the same for each step up in grit. Start at 80,,go up to 1000 and more
You've got a big room full of polishing wheels even if you just want to do S&W J,K & N revolvers.

Belts are great for flats and round circumferances (cylinders).
Round bbls can be spin polished if the grit lines going around agree with the restoration being done,,or it's just a reblue and that doesn't matter.

But again it's easy to dish out the flutes when doing a cyl on a belt if the polisher doesn't vary hand pressure over them.
You will dive into and back out of the flute on the belt (using the round backer wheel). That will cut the edges of the flute down going out towards the front of the cylinder.
The results can be spectacular with sharp edges all around if done right. Or a completely trashed piece in a few moments.

Keep up the good work. It's not an easy trade, but it's one that I feel brings a lot of satisfaction.
Without a precise polish job, all the other gunsmithing and glitter done to put a special project together seems to fall apart.
 
WOW, that is some truly great work. Restoring metal is very difficult. As a carpenter, dings in wood can be filled and sanded smooth but metal is a different animal. They look amazing!!!
 
I see several British proof marks on that Model 1917. Any idea of it's history?

Kevin

It has a late serial number and I believe it was one of the 20,000 or so 1917s sent to Britain after the Dunkirk retreat/evacuation in 1940. At some point it made it back to US after that. I am sure there are some people on here that are more knowledgeable in that area than me.
 
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