Price Check on a WW2 Colt 1911 mfg in 1943?

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I might have a lead on trading into a nice gun for young Mason. Not the Colt D frame that I thought about getting him, but still a Colt. I haven't kept up on such things, hence I must inquire - what would the going rate be for a 1943 Colt 1911A1 pistol, U.S. Army marked, stated to be in 95 percent condition - minor wear etc, with original grips, magazine and such?
 
Most of the ones I have seen are $1,000.00 and up. Sometimes way up. You need to research serial numbers also. Some are worth a lot more than others. Make sure it also has a Colt frame. These are often mixed with other makers indicating a rearsenal and lower value. Lots of GI's and Guardsmen built 1911's with aftermarket frames (Essex comes to mind) and GI parts. They could "borrow" everything but the frame (that's where the serial number lives) and put together a nice shootable gun. The values on these things are as complicated as S&W's and others. Do some research and then talk with someone more knowledgible than me.
 
As Charlie advised,you really need to talk to someone who knows about them. Replaced parts is common and really affects the value. If it's all original Colt,somewhere between $1500 and $1800 would be my guess.
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I passed on one last week at the indoor range at which I belong. It was in what I would call avg condition, had the government markings on it. The man wanted $2,500 for it but admitted he might come down a couple hundred.

I was not even tempted. At that price, I could buy a nicer gun that would be a lot newer and in way better shape as well has have some improvements over a war issue.

We in the older group may feel nostalgic about the war and it's souveniers but the younger set is not wanting war relics. My heirs would not have felt it worth anything and would have sold it for trash value. Even my gun shooting daughter does not like my older guns.
 
Condition is everything. Not just current condition, but is everything in original condition?

Many, if not most, of the 1911 and 1911A1 pistols in military inventories went through various levels of maintenance during their service lives. Maintenance may have been at unit level, armorer level, depot level, or arsenal level. Maintenance may have ranged from field-stripping and cleaning, to detail stripping and repairs, to arsenal re-builds.

Depending upon the level of maintenance, keeping each pistol together with all of its original parts was not always done. Every part in every pistol must be interchangeable to meet contract requirements, and pistols were made by Colt, Remington-UMC, Springfield Armory, North American Arms, Remington-Rand, Ithaca, Union Switch & Signal, and Singer. At the arsenal and depot levels it was not unusual to have hundreds of pistols stripped down, inspected, repairs made, parts replaced, then re-assembled at random from bins full of frames, slides, barrels, etc.

Most of the pistols released as surplus property through DCM were arsenal rebuilds, reparkerized "mixmasters" with parts from multiple manufacturers. Some of these will have arsenal markings to indicate the overhaul, some will not.

For these reasons, truly original pistols (all original parts, unaltered, not refinished) bring premium prices from collectors. Also because of this, there has been quite a lot of tinkering with surplus GI pistols, salvaging parts from several to assemble pistols with "correct" parts to simulate an "original" piece. Outright frauds will be encountered as well.

Knowing what you are looking at can be a real challenge, and without considerable research it can be difficult for a knowledgeable collector to be absolutely sure when examining a piece offered for sale.

A 1943 vintage M1911A1 with all original parts, no modifications, no refinishing, etc, in 90-95% condition will probably bring between $1200 and $2000 today, depending largely on the collector and his need to fill that slot in his collection.

A rebuilt piece with all correct GI parts in similar condition might bring $500 to $800.

An arsenal overhaul "mixmaster" in similar condition might bring about $600.

There are some wild cards in the deck, though. Some of the "mixmasters" will contain individual parts that could bring unusually high prices due to rarity and demand. Also, various Ordnance Department inspectors' markings are more rare than others, so a "so-so" pistol with an unusual marking might bring a premium price.

There are even some rare magazines that can be worth hundreds of dollars to the right collector.

A very specialized field, and one in which it is easy to make mistakes.
 
Thanks guys. I'll likely get in over my head, but I'm only out a modest accumulation of Glocks and such if I make the swap. My theory being that if I mess up, well, not like I can't get more Glocks one day. In theory U.S. military arms ought hold their value, since Civil War and other period arms from wars long faded into living memory are still sought after. Worst case at least a WW2 vintage .45 ought still be no worse a weapon now than it was then.
 
LoboGunLeather has pretty much covered it. Be careful. If the gun is what you say you can't go wrong for $1,000 but cheaper would be safer. If any evidence of refinishing is present 1/2 that amount. Only drawback to 1911A1s is they aren't good for doing tons of shooting because all value will go down the drain with a cracked slide.
 
My knowledge about GI 1911's is more or less limited to those made by Remington-Rand, but some of the ones made during WWII had some metallurgy issues and shouldn't be used as a shooter. (Fortunately, the one I have was built in 1945 and was properly heat treated. :))

I'm not sure if that caveat applies to the ones made by Colt during the war years or not, but it is something to check out if the gun is going to be used very much.

I am definitely all for preserving a piece of history, but rather than buying an actual WWII era classic for a young man to shoot, I would be more inclined to buy him a modern replica of the classic 1911A1.

Personally, there is a Rock Island Arsenal with an arched mainspring housing that has been trying to follow me home so I'll stop shooting my period correct R-R. :D
(Note to the collectors having chest pains, I mostly shoot revolvers now that I've I started having trouble racking the slides on bottomfeeders.)

John
 
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