Primer Pockets on 10 MM Cases

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I was depriming 10 MM cases a bit ago. I tend to throw my cases together and not sort by headstamp. I looked a case with a F/C 10 MM headstamp and thought the primer pocket looked small. I looked a R-P 10 MM headstamped case and the primer pocket was considerably larger. I got out a small pistol primer and put it in the R-P cases pocket and it rattled around in there. Then I put the small pistol primer into the F/C cases pocket and it fit. Has anyone else noticed this? Sort of like small and large pockets in .45 ACP brass!
 
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Yes. Its a pain aint it? I first saw it in 45acp and then noticed 10mm, manufacturers doing it with them too. I sort by headstamp anyway and just avoid or sort the large and small. I save the small for when I have no large primers. Hasnt happened yet but it may someday.

I doubt there is any performance difference.
 
I sort by headstamp too, and noticed this a couple of years ago. Fairly easy to cull the SP ones, though I keep them, as BillBro said, "for when I have no large primers". Plus I have a hard time throwing anything of value away ;-).
 
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I have a pretty staunch position on this and almost nobody agrees with it! :D

Yes, this is a 10mm thing now and as we all now, this has been a .45 thing now for what... 15 years? (It really HAS been that long)

Here are my bullet points. If this post were a popularity contest, I should be locking down last place but I'm not writing this to gain fans. ;)

1) 10mm should have started day ONE as a small pistol primer round and this is simply do to the construction of the case head. One semi-infamous internet hotrod experimenter who was, IMO pretty brilliant even though many figured him nuts found quickly that the original large primer design with the only medium diameter case was a limitation in design -- he could hotrod .40 brass harder due to more brass in the case head. Bottom line is that if we look at this from a safety and design angle, small primer in 10mm is BETTER!

2) if any one of us is purchasing new in box ammo, we can do at least some research to find out what kind of brass we should expect to get. Same thing if we purchase new brass. If we are buying bags of bulk used brass, as with anything similar, YMMV! Bottom line, you should be able to choose your fate here.

3) if you are picking up brass then you got this stuff for free, personally I'd be thrilled that it isn't steel or aluminum. Bottom line, this may annoy you, but you have a lot of power in how this stuff can worm it's way in to your life to annoy you.

4) some ammo companies might actually choose to NOT make 10mm ammo if it meant they were stuck using old school (unnecessary in the year 2023) large pistol primers. Less ammo companies making 10mm ammo is a net negative for every party involved except competing ammo companies. Bottom line, more brass for handloaders is better than less brass!

5) if you are a handloader that isn't diligently inspecting his brass, this primer annoyance is just a drop in the bucket of the hassles and failures you'll get to experience over time if you aren't willing to put the effort in. Again, you can limit the hassle by going harder in to your wallet to purchase specifically the brass you want. Bottom line again, this may even help you to get on board with doing your level best to make your ammo fantastic. And that is a win for you in the end.

I say things with absolutely no specific intended audience, especially not you AJ, I am not even hinting that I direct this at you.

This is how I feel about the brass with variable primer sizes. And while not exactly the same subject, I recently got in a conversation on another site about the prevalence of that absolute junk 9mm "stepped brass" that Freedom Munitions (also junk) was using, may still or may not still be using. The only way to keep that junk from ruining your day is to CULL it from your supply and that requires inspection.

10mm brass in small primer size may be annoying, but if it's the difference between free brass with small primers and no free brass, well, I know where I vote.
 
My brass is pretty much free to me. It is once fired (probably) pick up brass. I pick up all I can find at the range. I have close to 700 cases. I will keep all the brass no matter the size of the pocket. Just have to figure out if I want to expend large or small pistol primers. Since I have about 40 pounds of .45 ACP large pocket brass and only a couple of hundred small pocket brass, the decision in the .45 ACP category is pretty much made up for me. Only time will tell for the 10 MM brass situation.
 
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I welcome the arrival of small primer 10mm Auto brass. The 10mm Auto really needs a small primer so as to leave a little more brass in the case head.
 
I welcome the arrival of small primer 10mm Auto brass. The 10mm Auto really needs a small primer so as to leave a little more brass in the case head.

I understand your reasoning, can ever agree with it. But it is still a PITA to have to sort the same caliber by primer pocket size. Same goes for .45 ACP......
 
But it is still a PITA to have to sort the same caliber by primer pocket size. Same goes for .45 ACP......
I did not say it was not a PITA, it certainly is. Ultimately, given primer technology of the late 20th century, I expect we will see small primers become standard in most pistol and revolver cartridges.
 
My brass is pretty much free to me. It is once fired (probably) pick up brass. I pick up all I can find at the range. I have close to 700 cases. I will keep all the brass no matter the size of the pocket. Just have to figure out if I want to expend large or small pistol primers. Since I have about 40 pounds of .45 ACP large pocket brass and only a couple of hundred small pocket brass, the decision in the .45 ACP category is pretty much made up for me. Only time will tell for the 10 MM brass situation.

You might wish to check out Capitol Cartridge. I picked up a 1K order of their 45ACP nickel brass (?) and about 90% was small primer Speer +P.

Made a "sp believer" out of me as I have beaucoup sps!:rolleyes:

Cheers!
 
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Even more annoying for those of us who now need reading glasses and the manufacturer just puts a tiny difference in the head stamps :(
 

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Change is hard for us humans, especially antiquated reloader dinosaur type...

The analysis for SPP on 10mm is pretty compelling. Again just another round of sorting. Have enough old 10mm brass on hand that it may never be an issue for me personally.
 
I’ve been shooting some Blazer 45/10mm that I bought during the Trump era and also noticed this as well as I’ve been sorting deprimed and cleaned brass. Both of these Blazer calibers are SPP. I’ve also set them aside for when I burn up my LPP or I’m just feeling squirrely and want to try using SPP for loads.

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I don't hate SPP 10AUTO but I don't need them either

I've loaded my 10AUTO pretty hot & I've never had any issues with the case head strength of those made for LPP as long as they were fired in fully supported chambers.

AR platform 10AUTOs, like my CMMG Banshee, can't handle even full 10AUTO loads, let alone hot loads, because their chambers are not fully supported & will bulge the brass.

Even my son's Kriss Vector 10AUTO has that problem too, though to a slightly lesser degree.

This, of course, has nothing to do with the primer size, rather with bolt design.

My 10MAGs appreciate their LPPs. :p

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