Professor Called Police After Student Presentation

Originally posted by scooter123:
However, I still question the wisdom of permitting students with no combat training to carry on campus.

You oppose citizens with no combat training from exercising their rights to keep and bear arms, huh. May I ask --- just how much true combat training do have you received? Where and when? Or do you oppose yourself from ever carrying firearms
 
Originally posted by scooter123:
Parallel, I carry just about 24/7. I also spend about 60 bucks a week practicing at the range. I'm also 54 years old and know myself well enough to feel that I'll remain calm enough to use my gun well should I need to. However, I also remember what I was like at 20 and attending Ohio State. Too dead broke to hit the range more than once every 2 or 3 months and not nearly as calm as I am today.

That ain't combat training. By your own standards you need to quit carrying firearms.
 
No wonder the Second Amendment is trampled upon so freely... now we're not even protecting the First Amendment!!! Not sure who is dumber, the professor, the students who felt "uncomfortable," or the cops who should have known better. I'll bet if the presentation had been about abortion, or torture by the military, it would have been celebrated and made front page on the school newspaper!!!
 
Sent an email to University officials and the editor at the campus paper. Did I stutter? Addressees, email title, etc (interesting, the forum software deleted the email addresses to which I sent it):
------ Forwarded Message
From: Doug Mitchell <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 13:44:42 -0800
To: <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>
Subject: Intentional misconduct by a faculty member reported in the Recorder

Dr. Miller: I was aghast when I read the article in the CCSU campus paper referenced by the link below (full link and TinyURL provided for ease of coming to the correct article).

http://therecorderonline.net/2...tudent-presentation/

http://tinyurl.com/b858xs

I have been involved in the criminal justice system as a student and practitioner for nearly 35 years, starting as a police explorer in my home town. I've been a police officer and prosecutor in two states, published articles and books for law enforcement practitioners, taught my fellow prosecutors on a variety of subjects, and spent a year as a college faculty member teaching criminal justice classes from introductory to highly advanced. As a prosecutor, I performed both criminal prosecution and civil advising duties, including functioning as a police legal advisor. While you may not like or agree with my opinion, there is not the slightest question I am completely qualified to have that option, and you are not likely to find anyone more qualified.

In addition, my wife is a (full) professor of Communication, with a phenomenal record of publications, and student evaluations, and both of her promotions were two years ahead of her technical eligibility. Among other classes, she teaches on First Amendment issues. As she says, one does not have the right not to be offended. She read this article too, and was not favorably impressed with the actions of the faculty member, her academic chain of command, or the University Police. She notes that among other flaws, this is a clear impingement of Mr. Wahlberg's academic freedom.

There was no basis for any part of the action of the faculty member or the University Police. None. Period. Advocating a change in the law which makes others uncomfortable is right in the core of American First Amendment philosophy. It is not merely the privilege, but the RIGHT and obligation of Mr. Wahlberg to espouse the position advocated. In fact, I used to take the same position when I was teaching CJ classes. To have a Communication faculty member deviate so far from clear classic First Amendment protection and violate this student's rights in this manner justifies not less than termination. When I taught the introductory level classes, I worked very hard to get my students to recall the history of the Revolutionary period and how that provides the foundation for a limited government. That is a critical framework for understanding the structure of the criminal justice system. This is JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL level knowledge; it does not require a Ph.D. or JD to teach this correctly. Certainly my students had a better grasp on this than your faculty and subordinates.

Putting aside that I am not aware of any qualified expert who would suggest that Mr. Wahlberg is not correct, if one wishes to disagree with his position, they have the absolute right to do so. The correct manner in which to address this disagreement is in class discussion. What a great example of the marketplace of ideas this could have been - open, aggressive intellectual conflict should be a hallmark of the classroom in the setting here; it is an ethical mandate, not a pathology. Instead, it appears that hoplophobic handwringing won out over academic integrity and excellence, civil rights and the rule of law.

As for the PD, why would they even bother with a non-criminal issue of this sort? It is very frustrating when I see calls on the screen which do not even arguably have a criminal law violation alleged, a public safety need, or any other basis for LE action. I may call the complainant and clarify, but without a lot more I try to avoid going to such a call. In this setting, the actions of the police were probably unlawful, and clearly a massive waste of time. In fact, any officer who does not agree with Mr. Wahlberg's position is presumptively unfit for their position.

I spent several years as a prosecutor in a county in a different part of the state which included a regional comprehensive university. If such an event had occurred there, it was clear that the provision of Washington criminal law which corresponds to a civil rights violation would come into play. One of the consequences of conviction, for both the faculty member and any co-conspirator, including the Dean, Provost, and police department employees, and arguably their legal advisors, is forfeiture of employment, and rightly so. (The prosecution provides all the due process required, and there is no discretion.)

Here, you appear to have had a complete failure of the supervisory chain on both the academic and non-academic side of the University. If the Dean and Provost are not aware of their duty to initiate disciplinary and criminal investigations of the faculty member, there is a critical need for remedial training. If they do not perceive that this faculty member is not even arguably qualified to teach as a result of her failure to understand simple core American values pertaining to the First Amendment, they need to be removed and replaced as soon as possible.

I am not advocating taking action without full investigations (both internal and criminal). Far from it. That is a critical aspect of the Due Process protections applicable to employees. However, this event is a disgrace, and you have an affirmative duty to address it, and to ensure that corrective action is taken. It was such silliness that made the academic world unpalatable to me; the students were a joy, and the only reason I did not walk out after the first quarter. The similar misconduct of the administration, including the Police Department (to which I publicly refer as the "Keystone Stasi", for good cause), showed me I must go back to prosecution, where integrity and intellectual excellence matter. If presented with a similar situation, there is little doubt in my mind that aggressive prosecution and incarceration would be my goal. There is a reason for the signature file I have used here.

Douglas R. Mitchell, JD, MPA
Attorney at Law
P. O. Box 547
Cheney WA 99004-0547

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"He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." - Leonardo DaVinci
 
Sent an email to University officials and the editor at the campus paper.
Great letter, Doug. I'd love to be a fly on the wall when it is read by the addressee(s).

Do you expect a response? Intend a follow up?
 
Originally posted by Doug M.:
As for the PD, why the hell would they even bother? It drives me nuts when I see calls on the screen which do not even arguably have a criminal law violation alleged, a public safety need, or any other basis for LE action. I may call the complainant and clarify, but without a lot more I am not going to such a call.

There are an awful lot of calls these days from people who are under the impression that if they don't like it, it must be illegal. The official policy in our Comm center is that we "do not screen calls" meaning Comm passes along everything to the road units. Those of us who have been here a while usually don't even pay lip service to that policy, and do our best to stomp on the worst of the BS. Breaking in new Comm officers is tedious though.
 
Originally posted by jaegan:
Originally posted by Doug M.:
As for the PD, why the hell would they even bother? It drives me nuts when I see calls on the screen which do not even arguably have a criminal law violation alleged, a public safety need, or any other basis for LE action. I may call the complainant and clarify, but without a lot more I am not going to such a call.

There are an awful lot of calls these days from people who are under the impression that if they don't like it, it must be illegal. The official policy in our Comm center is that we "do not screen calls" meaning Comm passes along everything to the road units. Those of us who have been here a while usually don't even pay lip service to that policy, and do our best to stomp on the worst of the BS. Breaking in new Comm officers is tedious though.

Jaegan, my center has the same policy... but we tend to enforce it pretty hard. Put succinctly, it's, "Nothing stops here." Sadly, it's a necessity with the management we currently have in place.
 
Originally posted by scooter123:
Actually, he should contact the NRA and then a lawyer that the NRA refers him to. I suspect that this professor's contacting the campus PD may be "actionable" because it sure sounds like harrasment to me.

However, I still question the wisdom of permitting students with no combat training to carry on campus. Anytime I see some report about a police firefight it always seems that most of the shots fired by the cops miss, and they do receive some combat training. There is a big difference between punching holes in paper at the range and shooting at someone who is shooting at you. I have a bad feeling that permitting students to carry might result in a lot of "friendly fire" casualties. However, if there were any ex special ops military personel attending college, I would strongly endorse letting them carry.

Your position on this negates the entire concept of CCW. The vast majority of CCW holders do not have "Combat Training" and this has never been a criteria for holding one. The flawed logic of "location"-based CCW is one that we have to fight every day.
 
Originally posted by 5Wire:
Sent an email to University officials and the editor at the campus paper.
Great letter, Doug. I'd love to be a fly on the wall when it is read by the addressee(s).

Do you expect a response? Intend a follow up?
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I do not consider the persons in question to have the brains to understand it, or the courage to consider it. I'm waiting for their PD to contact mine and ask for an investigation because I upset them.
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Originally posted by Doug M.:
...I do not consider the persons in question to have the brains to understand it, or the courage to consider it. I'm waiting for their PD to contact mine and ask for an investigation because I upset them.
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When I was in state government, I got this from a fellow named Murphy, the Labor Commissioner at the time, Murphy's (generic) Law: "Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." He then added his own (also Murphy's) corollary: "The presence of stupidity does not imply the presence of malice."

Academia is, in my opinion, politically worse than any kind of government. I hope your letter incites action against those bozos.
 
Originally posted by 5Wire:..."Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

I am just enough of a paranoid cynic to suspect much of the "stupidification" of the population IS malicious.
 
Originally posted by Careby:
I am just enough of a paranoid cynic to suspect much of the "stupidification" of the population IS malicious.

That's the point of the corollary, above
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This demonstrates how much fear is out there. When coupled with ignorance, this is what you get. We can cure ignorance, but what do we do about the fear?

Living in fear is it's own punishment.
 
Here'a not very informative story on the subject in which "Jerold Duquette, an associate professor of political science at CCSU who sits on the Faculty Senate Committee on Academic Freedom, say the Wahlberg case is not so clear-cut." Or, put another way: what are you going to believe, the acedemic spin or your own lying eyes?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,504524,00.html
 
Originally posted by CW Spook:
Where the heck are campus police going to get a "list of guns registered in your name?"

In my area a while back one of the local papers printed the names and addresses of all pistol permit holders!

Apparently it's a matter of public record. At least here in NY. There wasn't much we could do other than be outraged. And it decreased the security of our firearms significantly, since if anyone wanted to get one it's a lot easier to break into a private home rather than a firearms dealer...
 
Apparently in Ct. that is a simple process for the PD to access. As for Dr. Duquette's comments, I sent him an email and suggested he reconsider his flawed analysis. I did not get a response from him either, nor do I expect one.
 

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