A point I made on another forum. Some all for sending in the military as long as it's after someone else. That sword can swing both ways.
Protests close to home
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A thread like this always makes me wish we had a dislike button.
(I'm aware we have an ignore function, but I don't use it. I want to know who the buttholes are.)
(I'm aware we have an ignore function, but I don't use it. I want to know who the buttholes are.)
We as normal citizens have no idea if the immigrants that were being arrested were legal or not. The city of LA should have been responsible for keeping the protests from becoming riots, namely mayor Karen Bass. Next in line should have been Gov. Newsome. If they had acted responsibly there would have been no need for the President to be involved. Failure by CA has spread the protests around the country.
And now we have No Kings Day protests as a result.
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Military suppression??? How DARE cops outnumbered by violent street thugs, some of whom are attempting to murder them, be provided with National Guard support? I don't recall the voices on the left and the media (but I repeat myself) wailing about "military suppression of protest" when the prior president had Washington DC walled off from any protest for MONTHS by the National Guard, complete with razor wire?
So this is 'military suppression', but that wasn't...
And why is the National Guard there in the first place? Because we are supposed to accept the new reality of the left.
A new reality of violent riots, where "protestors" attempt to murder LEOs by throwing Molotov Cocktails and similar weapons is supposedly First Amendment free speech protest - just as it was in 2020!
Where rioting, not protest, involving arson, destroying hundreds of millions of dollars of property belonging both to government and private American citizens is just more First Amendment free speech protest! Again, just like in 2020!
Where in the First Amendment can we find the words providing justification for what seems to clearly be violent felonies, not even the minor offenses of civil disobedience i.e. blocking traffic?
I don't wonder in the slightest why these people attempt to cover for these Mostly Peaceful Protest, street thugs, the street soldiers of their party engaged in felonies. They provided that cover previously during The 2020 Election Season Mostly Peaceful Nationwide Rioting, Pillaging, Looting, Burning And Murder - why would they change now?
I also have no problem understanding why they will justify almost anything in hopes of preventing these criminal Illegal Aliens (not "undocumented migrants") from being deported and removed as a burden from Americans' backs.
(I am amused every time I'm told that the hundreds of thousands of Illegal Aliens living in sanctuary cities like New York, while they beg for federal funding to provide them with sanctuary from law enforcement, are actually picking my lettuce as farm workers in those cities.)
Keep these criminals in the country, cover and aid their ongoing crimes. Eventually get them an amnesty while their numbers add to more DNC seats in the House, and if these millions of Illegal Aliens then vote 75%+ DNC in future elections as those do pardoned by Reagan when he got sucked in on that amnesty - they'll guarantee Democrat hegemony in the White House, Senate, federal judiciary, and the bureaucracy for generations to come.
Feel free to explain to me that I'm wrong on how I see this: go ahead and show me why I need to change my mind on this.
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The Democratic Speaker of the House and her husband (both killed) and another Democratic state legislative member and his wife in Minnesota have been shot in a 'targeted shooting' (the shooter had a list of more lawmakers) this morning by a man credibly impersonating a police officer and a fake police car. This is where hateful rhetoric inevitably leads.
Now I'll be attending a protest near me, maybe two, today. No one gets to do this to scare me off or make me stop speaking my mind even if it doesn't please some people. This is enough.
I haven't been part of any political party for 20-odd years, last registered as a Republican.
Now I'll be attending a protest near me, maybe two, today. No one gets to do this to scare me off or make me stop speaking my mind even if it doesn't please some people. This is enough.
I haven't been part of any political party for 20-odd years, last registered as a Republican.
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I believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, which not only includes the second amendment but the first as well.
Alternatively, people across the country are outraged and LA is just another flash point.
Exactly. These words lead to violence, and that violence is targeted at Democrats. Full stop. It ain’t Democrats shooting politicians, driving trucks into crowds or screaming about how dangerous and unsafe protests are and how “we” need more firepower to “deal with them”.
And as a Democrat, I neither support nor condone all of what the Dems have allegedly done. So, to Jager1’s screed, I say this: bring the cases in court. Have Pam Bondi and DoJ conduct their investigations and bring the results to a federal grand jury. If indicted, try them, and if they’re convicted, punish them to the fullest extent of the law.
But that’s inconvenient and hard and honest, and as such, it’s not a part of the current administration’s agenda. And that’s a terrible thing.
Your freedom of movement is only restricted in your mind (unless they obstructed the roads which I doubt). You are in a rural area, the turnout for this will likely be low, and barely noticed. Also, not all protestors are burning cars, especially in the countryside. Any protestors coming to a protest in a rural town are likely to be locals or connected to locals who understand its not Portland, and that any violent protests will lead to a similar response. In my sleepy harbor town we were told ANTIFA was coming and it ended up being nothing but a few blue haired people drinking coffee at the coffee shop.
The long and short of it is this. I would not worry too much, the news often blows these things way out of proportion and the likelihood your town has a violent protest is somewhere between slim and none, probably closer to none.
Do what you want though, it's your life.
The long and short of it is this. I would not worry too much, the news often blows these things way out of proportion and the likelihood your town has a violent protest is somewhere between slim and none, probably closer to none.
Do what you want though, it's your life.
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Lifelong registered unaffiliated voter here. I have fundamental disagreements with the Democratic party on a number of issues, but the naked abuse of power and open support of fascism by the current administration is against everything our founders intended for our republic. It was amusing to me to see the same people that had been screaming about "states rights" since 1862 turn 180 degrees in an instant and cheer the Federal usurpment of California's sovereignty last week.
100%. I noticed no replies to my question about whether these protests and suppression thereof would be OK if it were regarding their interests…
I’m guessing those emoji responses are negatives
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A note based on my many years as an LEO, most of the troublemakers at protests are anarchists looking for a way to stir things up. They typically don’t have a dog in the fight, their just show up looking to create mayhem and violence. With that said, many protesters are very much paid to show up. Back in 2020-2021, the protesters showed up to our small town, and a few were throwing frozen water bottles at the locals who were counter-protesting. Arrests were made, and not one arrestee was from our area. A majority were paid to travel and protest in our town. Not speculation, just a fact.
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I am a strict Constitutionalist I guess. Assemble all you want, petition to redress your grievance all you want.
But pick up that first brick….
Language is important, people who enter the country without following the rules can be charged with a crime. The first of which is charged as a misdemeanor. Repeated offenses can be charged as a felony. So, I ask, are these “civil crimes?” (Sorta sounds like the ultimate oxymoron to me.) Similarly, are these people “undocumented” or “illegal.”
But pick up that first brick….
Language is important, people who enter the country without following the rules can be charged with a crime. The first of which is charged as a misdemeanor. Repeated offenses can be charged as a felony. So, I ask, are these “civil crimes?” (Sorta sounds like the ultimate oxymoron to me.) Similarly, are these people “undocumented” or “illegal.”
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Interesting that some believe that context and nuance are unnecessary when laying out their argument. Conflating violent riots that include attempts to murder LEOs with weapons like Molotov Cocktails as allegedly being First Amendment assembly and free speech does not meet those parameters.
As usual with Democrats when Trump is in office, there has been no shortage of protests. There have been many since he took office six months ago, beginning immediately, gleefully reported by the media - and this is the first of them where the National Guard was called out.
I noticed all those protests (including a few small riots) since Trump took office and no National Guard. Did you notice that?
I see the difference as being two things: First, federal property and federal LEOs are being violently attacked by rioters. Second, both the mayor and the state governor will not use the law enforcement resources they have at their beck and call to put an end to it. Just as they refused to do in 2020.
Do you notice that?
When those mayors and state governors refuse to deal with their violent criminal rioters, there is a good chance that will result in those violent riots spreading across the country, just as it did in 2020 as violent thugs were emboldened by the permissiveness of mayors and governors.
I would presume most sane Americans, regardless of how they vote, do not want another repeat of 2020's nationwide "Mostly Peaceful Protests". Over 540 violent riots, damages to Americans' private property totaling billions of dollars more than that of Hurricane Katrina, entire sections of cities destroyed, parts of major cities occupied and patrolled by armed bands, and over 30 murdered during the rioting, and thousands of our LEOs wounded.
If a mayors and a governors refuse to put an end to the potential start of 2020 Mostly Peaceful Pillaging And Rioting v.2.0, I DEFINITELY want the guard called out to put an end to it.
Now, if you want to explain why the National Guard would still have been called out if these had actually been nothing other than actual First Amendment free speech assembly and protest to keep Illegal Aliens still in the country - even with a wee bit of peaceful civil disobedience involved... I'm willing to listen.
[Sidebar: I'm sure that there will be some "no kings day" and other protests organized for Florida. I'm equally sure that, if they get as violent as California, the Governor of Florida will deal with them in a way that protects the citizens and property of that state with no need for National Guard support being required]
Why back to Kent State when recent history should be able to suit your argument? Biden/Pelosi made Washington DC a militarized zone for MONTHS just a short four years ago.
Democrat voter protests to that? Crickets...
Most Democrats would call that a success - I certainly heard very few of them even questioning it.
Why is it fine to cosplay both that GOP voters supported the actual rioters that day, while at the same time attempting to cosplay that that history is only began January 6th 2020?
Would it be justifiable to think of people as hypocritical if they claim that January 6th is all they remember in the Capitol? Nothing within the previous year and a half?
They claim they don't remember rioters storming into the Senate chambers while they were sitting, to attempt to prevent the confirmation vote of Justice Kavanaugh to SCOTUS, just over a year earlier? Did the FBI have any of them warming up the cells for the J6 arrestees a few years earlier?
Would it be hypocritical if these people had nothing to say (and probably laughed with glee), just a few months before January 6th, while street thugs spent over a day storming the fences surrounding the White House to get access? Like they're doing today, throwing Molotov Cocktails and other potentially lethal objects at Secret Service and Capitol Police? Sending dozens of those officers to hospitals with wounds suffered in repelling their attack?
That was just a few months earlier, while the coming election was in the balance. And yet... it's almost like it never actually happened!
History only began January 6th - which is why none of those engaged in that assault on the White House with Trump inside ever spent a single day in the jails the J6 trespassers, unlawful paraders, and rioters were held in for months! Almost like a hypocritical two standards of criminal justice is at work!
50 Secret Service agents injured in White House riots as Donald Trump is taken to ‘terror attack’ bunker
Hypocrisy is generally fairly easy to spot.
Any comments on why the same FBI that hunted down every single granny that trespassed to take a selfie on the Senate grounds was unable to track down and jail a single one of the street thugs that sent Secret Service and Capitol Police to hospital with wounds suffered repelling those street thugs attempting to get at Trump and his family?
That FBI couldn't find and arrest a single one of those rioters who had attempted to murder and wounded their fellow officers in the Secret Service and Capitol Police??? Why is that?
PS. I did too - along with hundreds of thousands of others, and like many of them I actually DID go in harms way. In other words, there's not anything particularly special about military service in America.
Which is why fraudulent attempts of Appeals To Authority don't mean much with hundreds of thousands having served whether in combat or support roles - that service doesn't add the slightest legitimacy to this discussion, no matter what opinion a person holds on the subject.
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For those like myself that will put their money where their mouth is, the person that got this started is Christy Walton the heiress of part of the Walmart fortune. She took out a full page add in The NY Times calling people to action today.
This can turn into another Bud Light or Target lesson for Walmart. Bud Light sales crashed pulling the stock substantially down as is Targets. Bud’s was over featuring a trans on a can and Target over pride children’s clothes.
I didn’t drink bud but would have changed brands and I won’t shop Target and now I’ve added Walmart to the list.
Walmart says she has nothing to do with the company but I suspect her fortune in stock yields substantial dividends.
I didn’t think anything would take place in my little community. Like the OP I live in an ultra conservative small community in a very conservative state, Tennessee. Unfortunately the undesirables have gathered at the courthouse and the roads around it are blocked. The left doesn’t understand we can’t be intimidated into believing their propaganda. The more they try the more we dig our heels in.
I would hope that all conservatives will cease doing any business with these leftist companies.
This can turn into another Bud Light or Target lesson for Walmart. Bud Light sales crashed pulling the stock substantially down as is Targets. Bud’s was over featuring a trans on a can and Target over pride children’s clothes.
I didn’t drink bud but would have changed brands and I won’t shop Target and now I’ve added Walmart to the list.
Walmart says she has nothing to do with the company but I suspect her fortune in stock yields substantial dividends.
I didn’t think anything would take place in my little community. Like the OP I live in an ultra conservative small community in a very conservative state, Tennessee. Unfortunately the undesirables have gathered at the courthouse and the roads around it are blocked. The left doesn’t understand we can’t be intimidated into believing their propaganda. The more they try the more we dig our heels in.
I would hope that all conservatives will cease doing any business with these leftist companies.
A laughing emoji. The perfect answer to a serious topic, and a micro-example of why the conservative movement has been completely subverted.
They bring serious charges, but when those charges are treated seriously, they retreat and obfuscate and back-peddle into excuses. Could it be that the charges are real…or is it just another set of lies?
Adding to ignore list.
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