Q for Cops who carried Dump pouches

[S. Hammer]

When I was an Air Force cop not only were dump pouches mandated, but the FMJ ammo was carried in an elastic material of six loops carried inside the dump pouch. I couldn't imagine having to get them out of the elastic loops and into a Model 15 under fire. I cheated and carried +P JHP in HKS speedloaders in my jacket pockets.

 

[gboling]

The dump pouches issued to me in 1970 were of leather and were kept closed with Velcro. They never opened accidentally.
The first improvement was a metal strip with 6 clips that held 1 round each. This fit in the dump pouch. With practice, two rounds could be loaded at a time. However, it required switching ends of the speed strip to load the last 2 rounds
Next was a rubber speed loader permitting loading 6 rounds at a time.
The drawbacks to this were, gripping it to tightly misaligned the rounds enough that they would not go in. The wadcutter reloads were even more difficult to load
The ultimate answer was the Safariland speedloaders.
With those you could reload without changing hands with the gun and without taking your eyes off of the target.

 

[Old cop]

I remember the early rubber speed loaders b/c I used one during a gun battle in a parking lot w/ three bad guys who just held up a liquor store. The speed loader worked so fast (w/my issued Colt DS) that one officer asked me if I was carrying an automatic after the fight was over.

 

[gboling]

I remember the early rubber speed loaders b/c I used one during a gun battle in a parking lot w/ three bad guys who just held up a liquor store. The speed loader worked so fast (w/my issued Colt DS) that one officer asked me if I was carrying an automatic after the fight was over.

You had obviously practiced with those.

 

[safearm]

I carried Don Hume single flap double dump pouches. You could carry them with the flap up; the bottom was a leather "hinge" that allowed you to dump the rounds into your hand, or you could carry them with the flap down and allow gravity to dump the rounds into your hand or on the ground when you opened the flap. Most of the younger guys removed the inner plastic liner and carried them flap up with speedstrips. Luckily, I only had to carry them for about a year until speedloaders were authorized.

 

[Buford57]

What a trip down memory lane! I was more than happy to trade dump pouches for speed loaders, but kept the speed strips (and still do). The only dump pouch I ever cared for was a single horizontal model Bianchi made. I carried one in plainclothes and still do. Works great with a speed strip.

Yeah, Lefty, had a NY reload, too. And a boot knife. And a sap. Those were the days...may they never return.

 

[bronco45]

Anyone remember "sap gloves"? We weren't allowed to carry Safariland speedloaders as they could dump ammo if the officer was involved in a tussle and the "trigger" in the middle of the speedloader was acuatated.

 

[Old cop]

I recall sap gloves, they were forbidden by general order but the leather sap and blackjack (I carried a blackjack) were not, go figure.

 

[MPSGT]

We were issued the all leather kind and before speed strips we just stuffed as many rounds as possible in each one. I was able to get about eight rounds in each pouch but fumbling w/them as they came out was not a good thing. Earlier loop reloaders were better. We trained to load two at a time from the loops by rotating the empty cylinder to the left and drop in two at a time.

Yep, loading two at a time was how we used the dump pouch in the attached photo. I even used it in competition on the departmental pistol team. Of course this was the early to middle 80's. Obviously, I still have it although I've been retired since 2001.

 

[MPSGT]

I recall sap gloves, they were forbidden by general order but the leather sap and blackjack (I carried a blackjack) were not, go figure.

Most uniform trousers were made with a sap/blackjack pocket on the thigh just below the side pocket and just above the knee. Sap gloves were not allowed though.

 

[SgtLumpy]

I'm fast with two-at-a-time cartridges in loops. I often stick pairs between my Sam Browne and my garrison belt and practice exactly that. I think it's even faster that way than in loops because you get a thumb behind the pair.

Helps a lot to bend forward and a little to the left so you can point the muzzle straight down. Let gravity help as much as possible.

You can practice at the range or elsewhere by simply pulling two at a time out of the box of cartridges. Don't look at them. Feel them go into the right place.


Sgt Lumpy