Question for LOEs

[Buffalohunter60]

Do you take an Oath when you are hired? If so...is it to also defend the Constitution? I know Sheriffs do but not sure about police Officers or State Police.
Thanks in advance for your answers.

 

[TheGreatGonzo]

I have worked as a military, local, county, and federal LEO and each and every time I have had to swear to uphold/support/defend the Constitution. Every state where I have lived required it of state officers as well.
Gonzo

 

[cololab]

Ditto on the above. To support and defend the Constitution against all enemies; foreign AND domestic.

 

[jtpur]

Yes, and upholding the Constitution to me means that when the boss says confiscate Your Gun. I stand at Attention, Salute, with my middle Finger Extended in the most military fashion that I can Extend it and say, "What part of my salute did you not understand?

 

[Malpasowildlifer]

Me too; sworn, I've only been a fed, and I worked a non sworn gig for a PD in college. Constitution was in each oath.

 

[luangtom]

LEOs take an oath to uphold the Constitution, just like we did enlisting in the US military. Oath Keepers, one and all.

 

[MaximumLawman]

So when they pass an amendment to the consitution that says you can't have magazines over 10 rounds, you guys will uphold the constitution and start confiscating?

 

[Buffalohunter60]

So when they pass an amendment to the consitution that says you can't have magazines over 10 rounds, you guys will uphold the constitution and start confiscating?

It takes a lot to pass an amendment and that would have to get by the Supreme Court also. Dont think we are going to see that.


To Propose Amendments

In the U.S. Congress, both the House of Representatives and the Senate approve by a two-thirds supermajority vote, a joint resolution amending the Constitution. Amendments so approved do not require the signature of the President of the United States and are sent directly to the states for ratification.
Two-thirds of the state legislatures ask Congress to call a national convention to propose amendments. (This method has never been used.)
To Ratify Amendments

Three-fourths of the state legislatures approve it, or
Ratifying conventions in three-fourths of the states approve it. This method has been used only once -- to ratify the 21st Amendment -- repealing Prohibition.
The Supreme Court has stated that ratification must be within "some reasonable time after the proposal." Beginning with the 18th amendment, it has been customary for Congress to set a definite period for ratification. In the case of the 18th, 20th, 21st, and 22nd amendments, the period set was 7 years, but there has been no determination as to just how long a "reasonable time" might extend.

Of the thousands of proposals that have been made to amend the Constitution, only 33 obtained the necessary two-thirds vote in Congress. Of those 33, only 27 amendments (including the Bill of Rights) have been ratified.

 

[OSYM8113]

Yes, but you didn't answer his question. If it were passed, would you enforce it?

 

[1991a1colt]

Yes, both to the Constitution of the United State, The Georgia Constitution, and the people of the city I work in. There will be no confiscation on anything. If its band it will not be retroactive , only on new production runs. Remember the Constitution protects people from retroactive law change violations. This is not Nazi Germany in the 30's and 40's. If your state makes them illegal then it's going to be up to you to do away with them, until it's challenged and brought to the SCOTUS. I can tell you this from being a cop in the south. There is no way in HELL we are going to go door to door taking anything from anyone. Not because we are afraid but because it's a violation of our oath. Our Chief would tell the FED's, have fun boys, we will hang back and clean up the mess . Everyone forgets how large this country is any how may people we have here. There is no way there will be confiscation orders , The military could not even handle going door to door, it would take years. I just don't see LEO's or Military turning on their own people with all the chatter I hear from our LEO's and active guys I work with. We all talk about how the gun ban is a joke and will be kicked by SCOTUS within the year it's passed.

 

[vikgorr]

Yes, both to the Constitution of the United State, The Georgia Constitution, and the people of the city I work in. There will be no confiscation on anything. If its band it will not be retroactive , only on new production runs. Remember the Constitution protects people from retroactive law change violations. This is not Nazi Germany in the 30's and 40's. If your state makes them illegal then it's going to be up to you to do away with them, until it's challenged and brought to the SCOTUS. I can tell you this from being a cop in the south. There is no way in HELL we are going to go door to door taking anything from anyone. Not because we are afraid but because it's a violation of our oath. Our Chief would tell the FED's, have fun boys, we will hang back and clean up the mess . Everyone forgets how large this country is any how may people we have here. There is no way there will be confiscation orders , The military could not even handle going door to door, it would take years. I just don't see LEO's or Military turning on their own people with all the chatter I hear from our LEO's and active guys I work with. We all talk about how the gun ban is a joke and will be kicked by SCOTUS within the year it's passed.

With all due respect, where have you been for the past 15 years?
What about the Lautenberg amendment of 1996 which was made retroactive on the federal level and bet every challenge since? Before that I used to have FFL, after that I can't have a cartridge in my house without becoming a felon. Fed records state I was found guilty of home violence in 1988.

 

[1991a1colt]

OK Retroactive crimes or law are ones where you did something legal and then the law changes and then they come and charged you. This was used in the USSR, China, and most other commie country's and Germany. You are talking about domestic violance law. That does not mean you can not be charged with having guns and ammo before you were formality charged. Yes domestic, like mental health, you will loose your rights to own firearms / ammo due to safety of others. Just like a felony. Remember felons loose the right to vote also. The only diffenece is one is worded as a felony and the other is a misdemeanor. Everyone Is born with all their rights in place, its up to them to keep them. Remember blacks and women were not allowed to vote until after almost 200 years after the bill of rights and constitution were constructed. It takes time for the courts and people to make changes, even to the great constitution of this country

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[badge]

Yes, and a LEO does not have to obey an illegal order so their is no excuse. They will threaten you with dismissal for failure to obey a direct order or for the good of the agency or some other trumped up catch all but you would prevail.

 

[jtpur]

Oaths

Yes, both to the Constitution of the United State, The Georgia Constitution, and the people of the city I work in. There will be no confiscation on anything. If its band it will not be retroactive , only on new production runs. Remember the Constitution protects people from retroactive law change violations. This is not Nazi Germany in the 30's and 40's. If your state makes them illegal then it's going to be up to you to do away with them, until it's challenged and brought to the SCOTUS. I can tell you this from being a cop in the south. There is no way in HELL we are going to go door to door taking anything from anyone. Not because we are afraid but because it's a violation of our oath. Our Chief would tell the FED's, have fun boys, we will hang back and clean up the mess . Everyone forgets how large this country is any how may people we have here. There is no way there will be confiscation orders , The military could not even handle going door to door, it would take years. I just don't see LEO's or Military turning on their own people with all the chatter I hear from our LEO's and active guys I work with. We all talk about how the gun ban is a joke and will be kicked by SCOTUS within the year it's passed.

You dont see the Military or Police turning on its citizens.. Really. The framers thought it possible or they would not have written a Constitution limiting government.

You apparently were not around when the Ohio National Guard (part of the US Army at times) fired their M14's randomly into a crowd of protesters and killed four unarmed young people.

You were not at WACO when the Federal Government used highly flammable grenades and tanks to burn to death some 67 civillians including Women, Children as young as one year old.

You were not in Philadelphia when the local cops used a helicopter to drop a satchel charge on row home and burn down an entire city block killing Men, women and children.

You were apparently not aware that in and Near New Orleans Louisiana a city deep in the South, Soldiers, Coast Guardsmen, Police, local and State and Federal confiscated lawfully owned weapons, rifles, handguns, shotguns pistols from its own citizens trying to flee the destruction of Hurricane Katrina. You apparently did not see the video of police almost breaking the arm of an elderly woman for the crime of having a .32 caliber revolver in her own home and refusing to leave her home....

No not a chance they would do those things..

 

[1991a1colt]

You dont see the Military or Police turning on its citizens.. Really. The framers thought it possible or they would not have written a Constitution limiting government.

You apparently were not around when the Ohio National Guard (part of the US Army at times) fired their M14's randomly into a crowd of protesters and killed four unarmed young people.

You were not at WACO when the Federal Government used highly flammable grenades and tanks to burn to death some 67 civillians including Women, Children as young as one year old.

You were not in Philadelphia when the local cops used a helicopter to drop a satchel charge on row home and burn down an entire city block killing Men, women and children.

You were apparently not aware that in and Near New Orleans Louisiana a city deep in the South, Soldiers, Coast Guardsmen, Police, local and State and Federal confiscated lawfully owned weapons, rifles, handguns, shotguns pistols from its own citizens trying to flee the destruction of Hurricane Katrina. You apparently did not see the video of police almost breaking the arm of an elderly woman for the crime of having a .32 caliber revolver in her own home and refusing to leave her home....

No not a chance they would do those things..

OK, your taking this way to the extremes , What I am saying is most will not obey orders to do such things. There will always be the few that don't care about the constitution because they are full on power junkies, just like the thugs in office. No entity is perfect and I understand things have happened in the past and present that suck and are pure evil. All I am trying to say a majority of LEO'S and military will not do a massive operation against there own people they swore to protect. If there was another revolution it would start among us first. The OATH KEEPERS would split and side with the people instantly. We have already discussed such things at our local level, and national guard members. As far as taking orders, well our SOP states we will and should NOT OBEY any order from any supervisor, if the order is unlawful or deprives the rights to the people we serve. We are civil service workers with gun.

As far as Waco go's that was Delta Force and ATF, under Janet's and Clinton's watch .... Ruby Ridge anyone? That's what happens when you get trigger happy Spec Ops cowboys to do your bidding. All they cared about was they gunned down a group of Federal Agents and it was time for some payback. That's why you don't use Military for civil work. They just kill and that's what their good at. Try and do that with the whole local LEO community.... Won't work.

I believe a lot of the New Orleans LEO's are in deep **** about what they did, and is one of if not the most corrupt departments in the south.

But there are a lot of things you may not know about that whole incident. The helicopters that were trying to land on the roof of the dome were under fire not because they were trying to save people but because they were trying to resupply National Guard and SWAT Teams in the area with ammo. The area was a hot zone and a lot of constant firefights were happening there. FEMA would try and roll in but they were getting shot at. When people were being evacuated they were disarmed because everyone was sick of being shot at, once you were in the safe zone and under guard from attack and being evacuated why did the people need to be armed it was a major safety hazard for everyone. Its stuff you would not hear in the liberal mind control media.

As far at the national guard killing people with M14s, well that was way before my time, and I don't know much about it. You must be talking about the race riots and civil unrest of the 60's. All I know of back then use of force was much more lax then it is now and you could shoot unarmed fleeing felons back then until Tennessee vs. Gardener came about in the 1970's, so killing people for unrest and felony actions may have been deemed OK and much of the public may have wanted such action... Like I said way before my time so I don't know.

My grandfather was a cop in the 1950's, in New Jersey. He would tell me stories about people would get slap jacked to the head for not listening, and shooting at burglary suspects who were not even armed, and that was completely normal back then and normal law abiding citizens did not get all up in arms about it. How constitutional was that kind of actions... But people respected LEO's back then. Now we are much more civil and people think were are just evil. It cracks me up...

 

[JeffF64]

The problem is an order is going to mean different thing to different people so one may think its okay and another may consider it illegal. So do not think you would be safe to say if you do not follow an order you would not be fired, cause whoever gave that order would push that issue thinking it was perfectly legal, the law says take them away, and that said person would push it up the flagpole or to court. Then you have the same problem all over again the person deciding will have an opinion one way or the other and you then have a 50/50 chance.

It's not just the police forces (city, state & fed) its the military as well they would just sign off on being able to use forces inside the US, not just NG troops who are State, but active duty troops who supposedly are not supposed to be used inside or borders except to defend against a foreign force. But look over the past decade, we have had armed forces in DC ( oh they were just guarding pentagon) yeh right. They have been activated for several natural disasters, okay having a large force to help might be okay, but as soon as the sign out their weapons and pick up ammo to take just in case is wrong. The generals are very political, they all want that next star and guess who promotes and confirms them?

Same as all this mental health issue, who is it that determines I have a mental issue? And what mental issue warrants no firearms. You can word anything in such a way that it wil really not matter what answer you give, or how you answer it, the person that is asking could take the answer the wrong way, or you read or hear the question wrong and answer, or the nurse or doctor at a regular annual checkup write it down opposite of what you actually answered. Try to be dry while answering these question only answer yes or no, then the nurse says well sir you must be depressed, so then you say no I am not depressed then all of a sudden your adjutant end at her.... You see where this is going.

 

[weatherby]

I just don't see LEO's or Military turning on their own people

I take it you don't remember or know of what happened after Katrina?

OK, your taking this way to the extremes , What I am saying is most will not obey orders to do such things. There will always be the few that don't care about the constitution

It was not a few

 

[JeffF64]

OK, your taking this way to the extremes , What I am saying is most will not obey orders to do such things. There will always be the few that don't care about the constitution

Hopefully I am 110% off, and your correct

 

[1991a1colt]

I think y'all need to worry about Eric Holders US patrol drones with Hellfire missiles. There looking for any subscribers to soilder of fortune magazine right now.

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[weatherby]

I think y'all need to worry about Eric Holders US patrol drones with Hellfire missiles. There looking for any subscribers to soilder of fortune magazine right now.

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I think you should learn about History starting at about 1776 and see what those traitors were fighting for before you let them legislate away
what "RIGHTS" WE THE PEOPLE STILL HAVE !!