Question for LOEs
- Thread starter Buffalohunter60
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Maximum Lawman has made some points...Here on this forum the talk is about up holding the Constitution. Period. The issue on the bigger picture is...just what part of the Constitution and it's amendments are deemed to be up held, and which ones not....Up hold the 1'st, the 3rd, the 4th, the 5th, etc, but not the 2nd?
Who are the LEO's to pick and choose which to uphold and which ones not to?
There are a lot of issues about the 1st amendment I really don't believe in, however......They have to be allowed to express their Freedom of Speech, do they not?
The hot topic of "Gun Confiscation" ...Mass gun confiscation...I do not believe that will come to pass..IMO..Ever.
No I do not believe history will repeat itself..Not in our country.
Really, gentlemen, we may voice our conjecture here on this forum, of the "What if's".....
We may not like what we perceive to be happening by our law makers. But thus far, I have not read, heard in any form of factual information that gun confiscation is going to take place.....Restrictions, maybe.
Even as bad as the Conn. laws that were just past,restricting some types. Confiscation was not one of those laws. Nor Colorado's.
I was sworn to uphold all laws, not only those I personally thought were lawful, but some of the others I may not have believe in too.
Should a LEO come to confiscate one's guns, but can't find any, then that is another story altogether.
I can say I did personally observe many years ago in Spain, when Francisco Franco was still alive. There were still some guns hid in coal bins, and elsewhere, although no one was supposed to own or posses them.
WuzzFuzz
Who are the LEO's to pick and choose which to uphold and which ones not to?
There are a lot of issues about the 1st amendment I really don't believe in, however......They have to be allowed to express their Freedom of Speech, do they not?
The hot topic of "Gun Confiscation" ...Mass gun confiscation...I do not believe that will come to pass..IMO..Ever.
No I do not believe history will repeat itself..Not in our country.
Really, gentlemen, we may voice our conjecture here on this forum, of the "What if's".....
We may not like what we perceive to be happening by our law makers. But thus far, I have not read, heard in any form of factual information that gun confiscation is going to take place.....Restrictions, maybe.
Even as bad as the Conn. laws that were just past,restricting some types. Confiscation was not one of those laws. Nor Colorado's.
I was sworn to uphold all laws, not only those I personally thought were lawful, but some of the others I may not have believe in too.
Should a LEO come to confiscate one's guns, but can't find any, then that is another story altogether.
I can say I did personally observe many years ago in Spain, when Francisco Franco was still alive. There were still some guns hid in coal bins, and elsewhere, although no one was supposed to own or posses them.
WuzzFuzz
Bullzaye
US Veteran
Not that it has any impact on the discussion, and I may even be incorrect, but...I believe the National Guard were armed with M1 "Garands".
Tim
AZretired
Member
While I do not support or believe that more gun control laws are needed, the current trend towards "Universal Background Checks" is a long, long way from registration or confiscation!
Background checks and Mag capacity laws may pass but that's about it. Face it there are a certain type of person who goes to gun shows hoping to buy guns without a background check because they know they cannot pass one.
Background checks and Mag capacity laws may pass but that's about it. Face it there are a certain type of person who goes to gun shows hoping to buy guns without a background check because they know they cannot pass one.
Bullzaye
US Veteran
This is not true. It's already been stated by Obama and others that the only way that this proposed "Universal Background Check" could function at all is if the gov't. knows where all the guns are currently. Therefore, the UBC has to be followed by UGR..."Universal Gun Registration". After that, how long until UGC...Universal Gun Confiscation"? Look to N.Y.
Tim
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Buffalohunter60
US Veteran
There is no law that will prevent another sandy hook. I have no problem keeping guns out of the hands of mentally disturbed people that have a high potential of using a firearm to hurt someone. If I knew someone was a threat to innocent people, I would have no problem reporting them.....I do not see how registration could prevent crime and it just opens the door to confiscation. While I do not think confiscation will ever happen...there are elected politicions that would love to see just that happen....thinking that they will now be safe (not).
While I would like to think that history will not repeat itsself here.....I bet the people of Germany thought they had a great country and what happened there was beyond their wildest dreams. I do believe it could happen here if we are not viglient. All it takes is electing the wrong man once. Look at Hitlers rise to power and see how he got there.
I love this country and many good men have died so that we may be free. It is up to the rest of us to make sure that we remain free and also protect the rights of all people. Our children can be better protected...there is no such thing as absolute safety...life is a risk and the only guarentee in life is ...death at some point. But until that time, I hope we can all live a free and happy life.
While I would like to think that history will not repeat itsself here.....I bet the people of Germany thought they had a great country and what happened there was beyond their wildest dreams. I do believe it could happen here if we are not viglient. All it takes is electing the wrong man once. Look at Hitlers rise to power and see how he got there.
I love this country and many good men have died so that we may be free. It is up to the rest of us to make sure that we remain free and also protect the rights of all people. Our children can be better protected...there is no such thing as absolute safety...life is a risk and the only guarentee in life is ...death at some point. But until that time, I hope we can all live a free and happy life.
1991a1colt
Member
Has anyone noticed that the left is turning on themselves because all the background check and registration legislation talk. Even the ACLU 
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The next thing that will be fun to watch is all the states passing all the laws they think will help control violence. I feel sorry for some of you guys that live in some (emotional), states.
(Note: how the heck can someone elect people (nutball), that makes 32oz soft drinks and anything more then a seven round magazine illegal and then when his office gets blasted by all the hate mail, changes and said well don't load more then 7 rounds in your hi caps. Who the hell is going to enforce that junk laws. Hell I would not even call that laws, that is a big pile of steamy dodo. Where has the common sense in this county gone, and who elects these morons).
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eek: )is getting into position to fight any type of national registry because it is a privacy issue. This is going to turn into a major ordeal and the courts are going get all involved. From the latest news, the assault style weapon and magazine ban has been dropped due to the left would never get it through due to the republican and blue dog dems siding on the issue. Now we have to worry about a background check law being passed and a national registry. That is going to turn the liberal world on its head and will be fun to watch. The next thing that will be fun to watch is all the states passing all the laws they think will help control violence. I feel sorry for some of you guys that live in some (emotional), states.
(Note: how the heck can someone elect people (nutball), that makes 32oz soft drinks and anything more then a seven round magazine illegal and then when his office gets blasted by all the hate mail, changes and said well don't load more then 7 rounds in your hi caps. Who the hell is going to enforce that junk laws. Hell I would not even call that laws, that is a big pile of steamy dodo. Where has the common sense in this county gone, and who elects these morons).
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MaximumLawman
Member
Has anyone noticed that the left is turning on themselves because all the background check and registration legislation talk. Even the ACLU
The next thing that will be fun to watch is all the states passing all the laws they think will help control violence. I feel sorry for some of you guys that live in some (emotional), states.
(Note: how the heck can someone elect people (nutball), that makes 32oz soft drinks and anything more then a seven round magazine illegal. Where has the common sense in this county gone)...
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It's interesting because as of now, the feds (maybe even locals) aren't even allowed to collect "open source" information on people without a warrant. This concept is reminiscent of the "Red File" days.
1991a1colt
Member
Can you enlighten me on this open source deal??? I thought if it was open to public view no warrant would be needed.
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JeffF64
US Veteran
While I would agree nothing is ever 100%, I could think of several things that would make more sense than what they are proposing right now. How about, doing away with gun free zones, we all know just the possibility of someone carrying could be a deterrent. What about administrators or teachers being trained and carry, doesn't have to be handgun or rifle, just a few shotguns. Or even better what about armed security, ex-military or Leo or even actual police forces. As for money to pay for this what about not giving other Countries our tax dollars til everything in our Country is taken care of first.
While I am no politician, these will probably never come to light as most people only see taking away, banning etc a choice. They really think that will stop the criminals and these other crazy people that are doing the mass shootings. Heck not saying I would do this but tactically it makes brilliant sense to attack and shoot up a gun free zone verses a place that's not, you would be the only person with gun, wouldn't have to worry about someone shooting back, the police would not get there for 5-10 minutes or longer
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Buffalohunter60
US Veteran
Some of my same thoughts, I agree 100% with what you are saying. There are actions we can take to protect our children...a law is not going to do it because criminals do not obey the law or even care what it is.
