Question on new to me .38 M&P Pre-10

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I just picked this up from a friend for $250 and was wondering if anybody knew what the "S" on the sideplate indicates? I haven't run across that before. As far as I can tell, the serial number (S829647) indicates a production date of 1947. The grips do not number to the revolver. Should they be the later grips or would these be period correct? Thanks in advance for your help.
 

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Don't know anything about the S, But for $250.00 I hope you Hugged him also! He is a really good Friend! Be on the lookout for the police lol. IMO You got a heck of a deal. Beautiful piece of S&W History, how is the timing and Lockup?
 
Tony, the small S indicates it has the "new" hammer block safety. it should have shipped with diamond magna stocks. is that Prime Rib place still there in Papillion? I lived in Bellevue from 85-95 minus one year in Turkey. loved that place but can't remember the name. lee
 
You bought that postwar M&P at a good price. It is about a year older than you thought. Serial numbers in that range were shipping from the factory in May and June of 1946.

The S on the sideplate and the S prefix in the serial number are related to one another. Here's the story:

In December, 1944, the factory started installing a new safety mechanism to prevent acidental firing if the gun was dropped and landed on the hammer with cartridges in the cylinder. It is usually referred to as a sliding hammer block safety.

This change was made during production of the Victory Model with its V serial prefix. Guns produced with the new safety device had an S added in front of the V. Hence, in 1945 and early 1946, you have SV prefix M&P revolvers, some military, some civilian. Eventually, the V was dropped and approximately 180,000 units were produced with the simple S prefix.

Installing the sliding hammer block safety required some machining on the inside of the sideplate. During the period when there were sideplates in bins both with and without that extra machining, an S was stamped on the outside of the sideplate in the location you indicated to tell the fitters that a particular sideplate was suitable for use on a gun with the new safety device. It was simply a quick visual clue for the fitter.

As inventories cleared out and all M&P revolvers had the internal safety, the S on the sideplate became irrelevant and the practice was discontinued.

The stocks on your revolver are actually earlier than the gun. This style was used from c. 1930 until c. 1941. They look pretty nice.
 
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Don't know anything about the S, But for $250.00 I hope you Hugged him also! He is a really good Friend! Be on the lookout for the police lol. IMO You got a heck of a deal. Beautiful piece of S&W History, how is the timing and Lockup?

Timing and lockup are spot on. He is a very good friend. We treat each other good on our deals.
 
Nice find!

The grips on it are typical for 1930's era/ pre WWII/ and early WWII British contract revolvers.

Can you tell us the s/n on the back of the r/h grip? (Someone may need them!)

Also...….can you post a pic of the butt, as I am curious.

Your grips should look like the ones in the pic I have attached. (Not my revolver but it is an all-matching post-WWII M&P in the SV807xxx s/n range.)

Dale
 

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Tony, the small S indicates it has the "new" hammer block safety. it should have shipped with diamond magna stocks. is that Prime Rib place still there in Papillion? I lived in Bellevue from 85-95 minus one year in Turkey. loved that place but can't remember the name. lee

Lee, perhaps the steak house in Papillion you were thinking of was called Farmer Browns. It was south of highway 370 across from the courthouse. My father retired at Offutt in 1991 and my folks still live there. Pretty sure that Farmer Browns location closed several years ago. Took my homecoming and prom date there my senior year. Lots of good steakhouses and Italian restaurants in the Omaha metro area.
 
Lee, perhaps the steak house in Papillion you were thinking of was called Farmer Browns. It was south of highway 370 across from the courthouse. My father retired at Offutt in 1991 and my folks still live there. Pretty sure that Farmer Browns location closed several years ago. Took my homecoming and prom date there my senior year. Lots of good steakhouses and Italian restaurants in the Omaha metro area.

I'm thinking you are right on this. There is still an open Farmer Browns out in Waterloo. I have never eaten there but might have to try it soon.
 
I own a 2 inch nickel 38 M&P round butt with diamond service grips. The revolver serial # is C74465 which puts it mfgd in 1947. The service grips are serial # to the revolver. This gun is later than his but shows they were still installing service grips as late as '47
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I own a 2 inch nickel 38 M&P round butt with diamond service grips. The revolver serial # is C74465 which puts it mfgd in 1947. The service grips are serial # to the revolver. This gun is later than his but shows they were still installing service grips as late as '47
SWCA 892

All the post-WWII square butt M&P's I've looked at had the magnas. Of course nothing is impossible with S&W and I guess someone could request whatever grips they wanted if still available. (Although the OP has stated the grips do not number to the gun there can be exceptions to every rule with regards to S&W! I'll concede to the more astute S&W collectors with regards to non-magna grips ever being typically found on a square butt post-WWII M&P.)

Could this simply be a round butt versus square butt thing and S&W having more of the round butt silver medallioned service grips left over after WWII?

Dale
 
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I own a 2 inch nickel 38 M&P round butt with diamond service grips. The revolver serial # is C74465 which puts it mfgd in 1947. The service grips are serial # to the revolver. This gun is later than his but shows they were still installing service grips as late as '47

A couple comments.

1. C74465 can't be from 1947. The first C prefix revolver was not assembled until March 22, 1948. At that serial number, your revolver shipped no earlier than 1949, and might not have left the factory until 1950.

2. Round butt service stocks from the 1930s, both walnut and hard rubber, were obviously still in the bins after the war. They are commonly seen on postwar round butt K frame revolvers, even into the early 1950s. On the other hand, I have never seen square butt service stocks from that era that were verified original equipment on a postwar revolver. It could have happened, but it would be a rare occasion.
 
There were some factory Magna stocks (of several variations) available in the late 1930s, and they are distinguishable from the later Magnas. Some of them can be found on early postwar revolvers, but that is somewhat unusual, their presence is mainly due to using up old inventory. It is unlikely for standard round-top grips of the style used during the 1930s to the early 1940s to be found on a postwar M&P. If seen, they are likely to not be original to the gun. However those same 1930s grips in good condition are very desirable, as there were just not that many of them made, as gun production during the Great Depression was very low.
 
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