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Still learning as I go and reading manual.

I noticed I can not put the rifle in SAFE position unless I pull and auto return the charge handle (rather magazine installed or not).

Why is this?

This mean, when I load a magazine and switch to FIRE position, a live round is in the chamber and will fire if trigger is pulled. Correct?
 
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This is only if you dry fire or release the hammer with no mag. You can put back in safe if you push the boltcatch and lock it back first, then you can install the mag and release the bolt in safe mode.
 
The safety will not move if the hammer is down. The hammer must be cocked for the safety lever to move.
It also must be cocked to disassemble the upper from the lower.
Jim
 
Goodolboy, for the sake that your being serious, Before you put a loaded mag into the rifle "charge" it first by pulling the charging handle back and then let it go. Then put the rifle on SAFE, then put the mag with ammo in the rifle. Never load a rifle if it's not on safe first.
 
hdrolling said:
Goodolboy, for the sake that your being serious, Before you put a loaded mag into the rifle "charge" it first by pulling the charging handle back and then let it go. Then put the rifle on SAFE, then put the mag with ammo in the rifle. Never load a rifle if it's not on safe first.
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Thank you hdrolling,

Yes, you are correct. i am rereading the manual. Page 15 and watch a few video
And I been dry practicing the following to load and pull trigger

remove mag

1. pull charging handle back and lock in position by pressing bolt catch
2. position to Safe
3. Check if no ammo in the chamber
4. insert and pull mag for proper placement
5. press bolt catch again
6. position to Fire
7. shoot as needed.

:)
 
jimbo728 said:
It also must be cocked to disassemble the upper from the lower.
Jim
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It doesn't have to be cocked to disassemble. Reassemble? Yes, but not disassemble. I've pulled the takedown pin out and pivoted the upper with the hammer down, it can be done. I normally cock the hammer and put the safety on, but it can be done with the hammer down.
 
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The AR is designed so the safety cannot be engaged unless the hammer is cocked. This gives the shooter a way to determine what position the hammer is in at any time. The same is true with the safety of the M14 and M1 Garand.

The AR that is an exception is the HK. The safety can be engaged regardless of which position the hammer is in. I also know of two aftermarket triggers that allow the safety to be engaged regardless of the hammer position, the Franklin Armory Binary trigger and the Fostech Echo.

I don't know of any AR that requires the hammer to be cocked to open the upper. Some do need the hammer cocked to close it. All of my ARs can be closed with the hammer down except except the MP-10 with a Geiselle. I haven't looked into it, but I think it's due to the firing pin spring. It holds the firing pin back and the back of the firing pin hits the top of the hammer.

Sometimes the carrier slides out just a bit and smacks the top of the buffer and leaves little dings around the edge. The moral of the story is, don't just slam the upper back into place when closing it
 
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Thank you all.

I will keep it simple and just following the manual instructions from page 13 to 20 on how to load, fire, and unload my AR. I will just repeat these steps in manual about 20 times before going out to range for practice shooting.

I wish S&W had a good video to repeat the steps in the manual. That would be awesome.
 
I might suggest you find someone locally who can go over how to AR platform operates. Having someone show you and explain everything hands on in person might make more sense for you. I'm going to go out on a limb here but I'm guessing there are at least two or three people in the Houston area that probably own similar rifles. I'm sure one of them would be happy to meet you at the range.

I know I'd be happy to help out but we're separated by over a thousand miles so that isn't logistically feasible.

Have fun with your new rifle and stay safe.
 
Ray1970 said:
I might suggest you find someone locally who can go over how to AR platform operates. Having someone show you and explain everything hands on in person might make more sense for you. I'm going to go out on a limb here but I'm guessing there are at least two or three people in the Houston area that probably own similar rifles. I'm sure one of them would be happy to meet you at the range.

I know I'd be happy to help out but we're separated by over a thousand miles so that isn't logistically feasible.

Skill Development – Athena Gun Club I am thinking of taking this course. Screenshot by Lightshot

Have fun with your new rifle and stay safe.
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Ray1970,
That would be awesome if someone in Houston is very familiar with AR - 15 can meet me and show me the essentials. Or even a AR course would be great too.

If anyone is open to that please private message me.

Skill Development – Athena Gun Club I am thinking of taking this course. Screenshot by Lightshot

I may just take this course. Seems cool and fun

Thanks
 
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Kadonny said:
It doesn't have to be cocked to disassemble. Reassemble? Yes, but not disassemble. I've pulled the takedown pin out and pivoted the upper with the hammer down, it can be done. I normally cock the hammer and put the safety on, but it can be done with the hammer down.
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Mine wont. With the hammer cocked it opens right up. Not going to force it if the hammer is down.
Jim
 
HelpingHarvey said:
I just recently moved to Katy, Texas from Yonkers, NY. I was transferred here to help out with Hurricane Harvey victims, but am now doing a regular job as an EMT. They currently have me working 12 hour days, in which I volunteered for. If I can find the time in the near future I would be willing to help you out.
I have a military background as a Marine (4 years-2 tours-1 in IRAQ, 1 in Afghanistan). Send me a PM.
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A New Yorker teaching a Texan about a gun... Who would have thunk it! :D
 
HelpingHarvey said:
I decided I wanted to become a Marine because they are the BAD A**ES of ALL military units.
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We Air Force guys let you Marine and Army types think that... but everybody knows that air superiority is what wins battles! ;)

Just jerking your chain a bit, but really... Thank you for all you are doing, coming to Texas to help after that storm! And thanks to you for offering to help Goodolboy! Welcome to Texas!
 
cyphertext said:
I don't know... I've heard a few infantry types say that an A-10 providing close air support is pretty bad a**! :cool:
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Kick *** maybe......a bad *** is bad all the time. The A10 pilots are great but at the end of the day they head back to the pool and hit the PX up. Meanwhile the bad *** grunt is still outside the wire....
 
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cyphertext said:
Sounds like you are jealous! :D
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Not at all, I wouldn't trade the knowledge that my Infantry brothers have my back in any fight anywhere for a dip in a pool.

When I leave the wire I know if all else fails that the Infantry will adapt and overcome.

When the Air force A10 gets shot down it's not your fellow A10 avatars who come and save your ***.

I can't remember how many times in my six deployments we tried to call for air support and the weather wasn't ideal to fly in so we were denied, we still completed the mission.

And medics, well, no one talks $hit about medics just because. But their not the first man kicking in doors either.
 
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