questions on these new classics they're bringing back

I have several older Smiths, and some newer ones. Only two with the lock. Admittedly, they are as well or better made than the older ones. I still hate the lock and wish it were gone. But, other than the lock, I think they are tighter and better finished than toe older guns. It is my belief that the guns made in the '90's with CNC machines and before the lock are some of the best ever. My 627 with lock is a great shooter. Still hat the lock, but it will shoot, maybe better than the 627 PC I just got without the lock. We all have our preferences, and that's just the way it is! Lets go shoot!
 
I've got a Model 40-1 that has a BETTER nickel finish than any old Smith nickel I have owned previously. As I have stated before, the MIM parts are just not a deal breaker; there is NO evidence that they are any more prone to fault than forged. This little Centennial has become my favorite carry gun of all, and the quality is second to none. All these old guys can bitch and gripe about locks, MIM, plastic boxes instead of two piece cardboard, or whatever else they want to fill this board with. The fact remains is that S&W is a growing company after all these years, and as long as they make new guns like these classics, particularly the Centennial, I will continue to support them.
 
+1 jframe

The Model 40-1 in nickel reinvigorated my passion for the Smith & Wesson. I own a lot of revolvers, but this one is my favorite. Stock, just as it left the factory.
 
Originally posted by SAWBONES:
Current quality at S&W is best its ever been out of the box.

That's an ignorant opinion, from someone who obviously knows nothing of the older guns before Bangor Punta.
Go back and read the sentence after the one you quoted hot shot. I think before WWI predates Bangor Punta but you're probably going to correct me on that too.

Bob
 
Winchester covers my feelings very well, the old are nice and the new is nice. I can't go out and buy a schofield that is like a new gun for less than, what 5 grand if that. The ones that have the old "NICE" guns hold on to them, and someone that is young are to wait till we kick the bucket to own one. That is BS. I think the new guns are great and we should tell the young people (and Older) to buy the new Smith's and go shoot a copy of history. Later - John
 
When S&W makes a new revolver without the lock, and with the real coke grips and combat grips, no m&m parts I'll buy one, for those that think these new "classics" are anything to compare, you've just not been educated. If it were not for the scandium offerings, and a couple I purchased before coming to understand the lock short comings I would not own the new ones.
 
I agree with bk43 and stevieboy.My S&W -
load,aim,pull trigger six times,reload,ad inf.......or until I'm out of ammo.
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Cleans up well and shines like the day I bought
it.
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you'd think this thread was populated by a bunch of grumpy old men who don't just resist change, but want to beat it back with their canes.
That would be SAWBONES, BobK, catdad, Charles isaak, Geronimo Jim, for starters. I keep wondering why these cranks haunt this forum, instead of crowing about their "awesome no-dashes" on the SWCA site- what, no audience?

I'm not tired, but I'm TIRED of this:
That's an ignorant opinion, from someone who obviously knows nothing of the older guns before Bangor Punta.
Who descended from on high and caused you to think you know a good revolver when you shoot one? Because if "old" is all you know, you don't know.

1x2

P.S. I've shot a lot of handguns, and I've NEVER pulled DA on an old revolver that can hold a candle to the DA pull on ANY MIM new one, out of the box. Accuracy is the same on all; most great, a few need work...
 
I thought that those hating the newer guns would be selling them at a bargain price and I could afford some of them but I don't see anyone sellig their's cheap so someone must like them....I do
 
I have to side with Winchester 1 on this one. I have some older guns made in the dash 1 & 2 period and some new ones. A most recent acquistion is one of the M25 45 Colt 6.5" Classics. With its slender tapered barrel it should have been a M26, but since only a handfull of original M25(or M26) where made in 45 Colt, getting an original is almost impossible. The classic is a very nice subsitute! So is my M22 classic. Buy and shoot what one can get is better than not having an original. My two cents worth!!
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Bob
 
I started shooting and collecting S&W revolvers 30 years ago and I agree there is nothing like an old classic Smith. However, there are ways that the new guns are superior in materials and the precision with which they are manufactured. Almost every new S&W I've shot has shot exceeding well. That wasn't the case in the 1970's and '80's. The new guns are more durable, lighter, and higher capacity. And that's just a fact. Look I hate the lock too. And many of the subtle lines of the old guns just don't lend themselves to modern manufacturing, but if the choice were no gun or a new gun I wouldn't let my sense of nostalgia overrule my choice.

/b
 
Well spoke blair, I wish I could put down works like that. Job well done for winchester and you. Thank You John
 
All my S&W are Pinned or P&R,except a 3in.Mdl.60 & a 651,I will never have a S&W with a lock.

Dick
 
I've only owned two S&W revolvers in my life: a combat masterpiece, circa 1976, and a newly purchased 1 7/8" Model 36 "Chief Special" both of which were traditional blue. So I'm by no means an expert. But I don't think a discussion of whether the MIM revolvers are better or worse than the forged revolvers is the point here. At least not for me.

Progress is fine. But if someone tells you that they are selling a fully restored 1969 Pontiac Firebird, you would expect to buy a fully restored 1969 Pontiac Firebird, with an all metal body on a steel chasis, not a replica made out of fiberglass or one with a "unibody" construction. Same with the classics.

In my opinion, what S&W did was false advertising, if not actual fraud. When I purchased the NIB Model 36, there was a forty year old Model 36 in like new condition beside it on another shelf, for half the price. Yeah, the lock was an issue, but all things considered, I opted for the new one because it was designated for .38 special +P, so I figured that the steel was better. Otherwise, I expected the same trigger, the same hammer, the same everything, albeit built with modern steel (as I assume that the fifty year old processes are nowhere to be found).

Instead, I got a revolver with an MIM hammer, the underside of which had an exposed seam, that quickly nicked the upper backstrap. Yeah, that can happen with a forged hammer. But I suspect it is par for the course with MIM. Again, that's not really the point.

To continue the analogies, if a person goes into a jewelry store expecting to purchase a solid gold watch and later finds out that it is only gold plated, they would have every right to complain. I paid for a reissued classic, presumably made with forged parts, not MIM parts. It was not inexpensive. And if you're willing to pay the price, S&W continues to sell revolvers with forged hammers. So there was no excuse. I feel that I ended up with a cheap knock off.
 
"Counterfeits" "knock offs"

Yea, I think that sums up the "classics" line. Regards 18DAI.
 
And I'll never own another car without a hand crank starter...
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A few years ago John Ross posted a quote about MIM, or metal injection molding, and for how it is used in the aerospace industry to create jet turbines. I think the method is good enough for triggers.
 
I like the new Classics. Reasonable price, available over the counter, very good manufacturing tolerances with modern CNC machines.

The internal lock is an annoying bow to political correctness, but I cannot do anything about it.

I own a Model 29 Classic and have placed an order on a Model 25 Classic. I do not live in the USA so finding the originals is out of the question. Otherwise I would buy a set of both originals and newly manufactured Classics.

A photo of a new manufacture Model 29 Classic to lighten up is thread.
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