Rant: Having A Concealed Handgun Permit Does NOT Make You A Cop

Got into an argument with an acquaintance of mine tonight that I probably should have

Smoke, yes you should have avoided that argument, but you should avoid that clown like the Black Death. Clowns like that are a real problem just waiting to happen. Again drop this guy like a Hot Rock...
 
Ever feel like a magnet? :p

Got into an argument with an acquaintance of mine tonight ... my buddy ...

Maybe time to make a clear distinction, at least to yourself, regarding whether this man is an acquaintance or a buddy, friend, etc.

I have a growing number of acquaintances, but a handful of friends. My requirements for being a 'friend' becomes increasingly higher as I get older, too.


... The buddy tells us that he knew the guy was carrying an illegally concealed weapon and that's where the argument started.

Assumptions. If you feel like wasting some more time, take a napkin and draw the lines between the letters of the word 'assume', and see if it's either welcome, or sinks in, to your acquaintance, buddy, whatever.

... He goes off on some rant that the law stipulates that the weapon must be fully visible.

... Then he "surveilled" the guy until he left the restaurant.

A couple months back this guy got all hot and bothered because someone brought his kids to church in car with out child safety seats.

Okay, if he's a real 'wannabe', suggest that he look into becoming a reserve officer and volunteering his time to actually learn about the law, and help enforce the law when on-duty. This is presuming his background and psych profile would actually allow him to pass the background and be sworn to the position. Anybody's guess if he could actually pass whatever academy training is required in your state.

... certain one day he going to bite off far more than he can chew and either get himself killed or sued

As has already been said, you can probably add the "or arrested" option to his future path. Combine it with "sued", if he's really stubborn and unlucky, someday.

To be fair, it's not uncommon for LE agencies to have to create policies and general orders covering what their peace officer employees ought to do about suspected minor violations they may observe occurring while on their own time, off-duty. These sort of things can help provide direction and guidance, especially to newer cops, about the nature of circumstances where it might be reasonable for them to consider invoking their status in an off-duty capacity, taking LE actions. :rolleyes:

Oddly enough, I've found that these sort of folks (everyone can find one or more of them) tend to avoid me, or at least avoid starting such discussions around me, after it happens for the first time. ;)

I have little desire for their problems to become my problems, too.

Good luck. (And this may be one of those situations where you can make your own luck, if you want to do so. ;) )
 
Most of my "My buddy stories" come from people I work with/ have worked with in the past or people I go to church with.

A friend is someone that I would let enter my home and none of the"my buddies" make that cut.

I post the stuff here because it usually makes for a good thread.
 
Most of my "My buddy stories" come from people I work with/ have worked with in the past or people I go to church with.

A friend is someone that I would let enter my home and none of the"my buddies" make that cut.

I post the stuff here because it usually makes for a good thread.

Helpful distinction.

You're usually correct about the 'interesting thread' observation, too. More cordial folks on this forum who usually have reasoned responses, or are even willing to reconsider a formerly held opinion or perspective, than on some other gun forums. ;)

Not always, and not on all topics, of course. :)
 
Most of my "My buddy stories" come from people I work with/ have worked with in the past or people I go to church with.

A friend is someone that I would let enter my home and none of the"my buddies" make that cut.

I post the stuff here because it usually makes for a good thread.

Well, I gotta ask then . . . Is the "buddy" in this thread the same person as the "acquaintance" that you got in the argument with? Or did you get in an argument with a third party about what a mutual "buddy" did?
 
Well, I gotta ask then . . . Is the "buddy" in this thread the same person as the "acquaintance" that you got in the argument with? Or did you get in an argument with a third party about what a mutual "buddy" did?

the acquaintance and the buddy are the same person. I was arguing with him that A. the alleged illegal concealed carrier was not carrying a concealed weapon and B. even if he was the acquaintance/buddy would have been better off minding his own business

The third party who asked how the acquaintance/buddy managed to find himself in all these situations was a friend

and the story about the alleged illegal concealed carrier was told to us second hand be the acquaintance/buddy in the "There I was...." style.
 
Concealed carry is for self DEFENSE,...... sounds like this old sod is going on OFFENSE....aka,... looking for trouble.
 
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If this buddy isn't willing to seek professional help and he's delusion to the point where he thinks he's the new Sheriff in town. Tell him to stop messing with the pot smokers in the car park and go straight to the top and put the crack dealers straight. Should be fun.
 
Just my opinion but it sounds like it's time to ditch "Barney Fife" before he gets you hurt or killed.
 
If you absolutely can't avoid interacting with him maybe you can give him some advice.
It's some, that early on with me was difficult.
It's simply to stay under the radar. When carrying, he needs to resist any type of confrontation, including those that you normally wouldn't.
Things like someone flipping you off, or cussing you out or just someone being a complete and irritating idiot.
If not he'll likely be seen as escalating the situation to the point of confrontation. If a firearm is used then, consequences will be serious.
He needs to realize that when he's carrying he needs to be a different person than if he wasn't. He has a higher standard and expectation of behavior to live up to.
If I'm ever around someone acting like he does, I leave. It's a scenario that I can foresee as deteriorating and I don't want to be around it while armed.
Tell him its not running away, its being smart and staying alive and out of prison.
 
I don't think that it is the permit. Some people just think that they are more important than they are and have a right to stick their nose in everyone else's business. Generally it is also combined with them being a know it all.
 
For a while I had to work with a woman who I could not otherwise avoid. She was a super ultra left-wing fascist liberal who was happy to try to out me at any opportunity.
I was partly able to squelch her by refusing to answer any question about carrying. She was quick to point to anti-self-defense signs and declare that I could not enter those establishments. I addressed that by always returning to my car whether I was armed or not, so she could never learn if I was armed by watching my actions.

It was a super relief when I no longer had to work with her. Funny thing, she became much more relaxed around me after we were no longer working together. She was still a super ultra left-wing fascist liberal who believed we should not have an edge over those poor armed robbers. The problem, she asserted, was that they could get guns!
Well, DUH!
 
I never liked being around....

I never liked be around people that got 'righteously indignant' over little things. I feel that they are drawing attention to themselves rather than trying to alleviate a situation. Especially if they act like they are the police or 'tactical' in some way.
 
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Might be time to cultivate an allergy to nuts.

They do seem to find you with some frequency.

Might be the thin air in Colorado Springs.

Several years back there was group that called itself the "Citizen's CB Patrol" that operated in the Stratton Meadows (AKA Stratton Ghettos) area of Colorado Springs. They dressed up in black BDUs, open carried and (nominally) drove around in their Station Wagons looking for "miscreants" , Their name came form the fact that they kept in contact with CBs and (presumably) used the to report anything "suspicious" to the police on channel nine

I most often saw them "patrolling" the IHOP in the Southgate mall.

Had another co worker (like I said security tends to draw these types) that used to drive around his neighborhood in his security uniform reporting people for lighting off fireworks.
 
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Might be the thin air in Colorado Springs.

Several years back there was group that called itself the "Citizen's CB Patrol" that operated in the Stratton Meadows (AKA Stratton Ghettos) area of Colorado Springs. They dressed up in black BDUs, open carried and (nominally) drove around in their Station Wagons looking for "miscreants" , Their name came form the fact that they kept in contact with CBs and (presumably) used the to report anything "suspicious" to the police on channel nine

I most often saw them "patrolling" the IHOP in the Southgate mall.

Had another co worker (like I said security tends to draw these types) that used to drive around his neighborhood in his security uniform reporting people for lighting off fireworks.

See: Post#17
 
We all know that type of wannabe. Tell him if he wants to be a real police officer then apply and take the test. I expect that as is the case with many of that type, it won't happen or he couldn't get hired...At least I hope so. I once knew a guy like that. He was a rookie who kept getting involved in petty matters off duty and he wound up being fired...I agree with the others here...Hang out with somebody else.
 
The NRA Basic Pistol Course takes about 8 hours. The State Police Academy takes about 6 months.
Maybe the guy should become a lawyer and try for district attorney instead?
 
Does your buddy by any chance have a gold badge that identifies him as "Concealed Carry Permit Holder"?


I love those guys. I especiallylove wen they pull those things out and have them displayed for no reason... That way the bad guys know who to shoot first!! Gives me a chance to find cover...
 
Smoke, you are absolutely right...

I remember seeing a BADGE for sale for civilians who have carry licenses...I can not believe how stupid that idea is.

I have a state license to carry a concealed handgun...NOT as any sort of enforcement agent or officer. I have had a license for well over 21 years now, and have actually felt the need to take my gun out on 2 occasions...both times, the mere display of a weapon ended the incident, and I never reported either one to anyone.

I carry to protect my self and who might be with me. Period.

I worked with recovering drug addicts and later worked in a state mental hospital...I am now retired and not seeking additional drama.
 
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Maybe I missed it, but how did your friend know that the guy did not have a CHP?
 
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