Real ID

[Beemerguy53]

I NOT talking about legal immigrants, I'm talking about people here illegally. ILLEGALLY. ILLEGALLY.

Well, why didn't you say so in the first place?

Pardon me for thinking the subject of this thread was Real IDs and associated issues, not immigration. (Although I understand why you wanted to steer the discussion in that direction.)

There are some states that will issue "non-compliant" driver's licenses to residents that cannot prove their citizenship and immigration status. Since those non-compliant licenses are NOT Real IDs, and are not usable for federal identification, they're not germane to this thread.

Regarding Social Security numbers: People who are here illegally are not eligible to be issued Social Security numbers. I'm not sure where you got your information, for which you provided no link, but the link to the Social Security website is below...

Immigration | SSA

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[Screwball]

Regarding Social Security numbers: People who are here illegally are not eligible to be issued Social Security numbers. I'm not sure where you got your information, for which you provided no link, but the link to the Social Security website is below...

Immigration | SSA

I’m glad to see that has changed (likely in the past 3 months), but your statement about being here legally only makes someone eligible for SSN has not been correct for at least the past 5 years.

I’ve seen more than one instance where someone EWIed into the US, were currently in removal proceedings and had a SSN. These removal proceedings could last 10+ years, which is disgusting in itself. We just dealt with a guy from West Africa who hid in a ship, stayed here for a decade before being deported… walked across the SWB within a year of the deport, then tried to flee to Canada when it appeared that his second case wasn’t going to come to an outcome he liked.

Hell, they usually were given employment authorization cards by USCIS. I know that recently changed (within the past few weeks) where they are only given to aliens who are in good immigration status (to include asylum, refugee, etc). No more pending a court date and able to work in the US… unless you have been in that situation and moving forward.

 

[biku324]

Well, why didn't you say so in the first place?

Pardon me for thinking the subject of this thread was Real IDs and associated issues, not immigration. (Although I understand why you wanted to steer the discussion in that direction.)

There are some states that will issue "non-compliant" driver's licenses to residents that cannot prove their citizenship and immigration status. Since those non-compliant licenses are NOT Real IDs, and are not usable for federal identification, they're not germane to this thread.

Regarding Social Security numbers: People who are here illegally are not eligible to be issued Social Security numbers. I'm not sure where you got your information, for which you provided no link, but the link to the Social Security website is below...

Immigration | SSA

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There are tons of misinformation on what illegal aliens can and cannot do.

To be clear, many illegals here to work simply make up or buy SocSec numbers, pay into FICA and Medicare, then can never get benefits - those contributions are pure profit for SocSec and give 'cover' to employers of illegals to allow them deniability.

Just to confirm, New Mexico has issued illegals driver's licenses for decades in order to allow them to buy insurance. These licenses cannot be the basis of a Real ID unless the illegal becomes a US citizen. Two of the least problematic ways to become citizens are by marriage or by US Military service (thousands annually gain citizenship this last way - Military Naturalization Statistics | USCIS ).

 

[ladder13]

I NOT talking about legal immigrants, I'm talking about people here illegally. ILLEGALLY. ILLEGALLY.

We knew that, an easy one to figure.

 

[Ματθιας]

Well, why didn't you say so in the first place?

Pardon me for thinking the subject of this thread was Real IDs and associated issues, not immigration. (Although I understand why you wanted to steer the discussion in that direction.)

There are some states that will issue "non-compliant" driver's licenses to residents that cannot prove their citizenship and immigration status. Since those non-compliant licenses are NOT Real IDs, and are not usable for federal identification, they're not germane to this thread.

Regarding Social Security numbers: People who are here illegally are not eligible to be issued Social Security numbers. I'm not sure where you got your information, for which you provided no link, but the link to the Social Security website is below...

Immigration | SSA

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Elon Musk EXPOSES Social Security Fraud: Millions of Illegal Aliens with SSN Revealed

"Elon Musk drops bombshell claims about Social Security fraud, revealing millions of illegal aliens with Social Security numbers. But what's the truth behind his allegations? Watch as we break down the facts and examine the evidence."

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAH8oOxrjNs[/ame]

Given what Elon has found, I ask you big government lovers, is he lying? Is it misinformation?

If illegals are not eligible to get SSN, then how did they get SSNs?

 

[LVSteve]

Fake SSN cards and numbers are 10/penny. Employers don't care, and to a first approximation neither does the SSA. the vast majority of illegals with a fraudulent number have no intention of trying to draw SS at 62. They know that governments check outgoing money way more carefully than incoming funds. A lot of illegals here are looking to earn enough to pay for a nice hacienda back in the home country over 5-10 years. After that, they're gone. Those that stay and try the anchor baby game get all the grief they deserve.

 

[Screwball]

Fake SSN cards and numbers are 10/penny.

May be true… but all the ones I dealt with had real SSNs assigned to them. Like I looked at the paper card issued to them. Some, but not all, had “with DHS employment authorization” on the card. If they were fraudulent, doubt they would have that and an EAD card (all of those were valid and confirmed).

 

[biku324]

Elon Musk EXPOSES Social Security Fraud: Millions of Illegal Aliens with SSN Revealed

"Elon Musk drops bombshell claims about Social Security fraud, revealing millions of illegal aliens with Social Security numbers. But what's the truth behind his allegations? Watch as we break down the facts and examine the evidence."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAH8oOxrjNs

Given what Elon has found, I ask you big government lovers, is he lying? Is it misinformation?

If illegals are not eligible to get SSN, then how did they get SSNs?

Like firing the NNSA field operations was ill-informed, claims of SocSec benefit fraud are likewise not true. Show me the list of those fraudulently receiving SocSec benefits, then the civil and criminal cases filed to punish the fraudsters and recover stolen funds.

 

[deadin]

Du wirst mir deine Papiere zeigen, schnell !

 

[LVSteve]

Like firing the NNSA field operations was ill-informed, claims of SocSec benefit fraud are likewise not true. Show me the list of those fraudulently receiving SocSec benefits, then the civil and criminal cases filed to punish the fraudsters and recover stolen funds.

Most "social security frauds" I've read about here and in the UK seem to involve disability payments. My father thought he was going to be called as a witness in one and was dreading it (small town).

Some here complain that the SSA makes you jump through too many hoops, but when wife#1 was terminal, the SSA staff in Vegas were very helpful. In fact, when reviewing her medical records they told me should have been to see them at least two years before.

 

[biku324]

When SSA discovers a fraud, they deal with it first by clawing back any monies in the account where the check was deposited.

 

[LVSteve]

May be true… but all the ones I dealt with had real SSNs assigned to them. Like I looked at the paper card issued to them. Some, but not all, had “with DHS employment authorization” on the card. If they were fraudulent, doubt they would have that and an EAD card (all of those were valid and confirmed).

Well, we had a major developer say out loud and on TV that the Vegas housing boom of the 90s and early 00s would not have happened without illegal labor. Tells you a lot about what went on and likely still goes on here.

 

[johngalt]

Illegal immigrants can (and do) apply for an ITIN.

 

[Ματθιας]

When SSA discovers a fraud, they deal with it first by clawing back any monies in the account where the check was deposited.

Why didn't they discover folks who were, supposedly, well over 100+ years old on the books and still collecting benefits? Malfeasance or misfeasance? Why did it take Musk and DOGE to find the fraud? They found it in weeks. Obviously, it's been going on for years...

 

[biku324]

Show the proof. Names, dates of birth, prosecution, civil forfeitures. Anyone can claim anything if you have no proof that everyone can examine. Without proof, it's just noise.

 

[LVSteve]

Why didn't they discover folks who were, supposedly, well over 100+ years old on the books and still collecting benefits? Malfeasance or misfeasance? Why did it take Musk and DOGE to find the fraud? They found it in weeks. Obviously, it's been going on for years...

Find where the SSA had been told to program their system to flag payments to very old claimants. Even if they did, have/had they the staff to look into such cases? Assuming they did, they now have to get federal law enforcement interested enough to pursue the cases. The SSA does not have an enforcement arm, to my knowledge. Given that Fed LE generally has a lot of other heavier stuff to do, and you quickly get to where we appear to be.

 

[biku324]

SSA has fraud enforcement through their IG ( Published Reports from the Office of Audit | Office of the Inspector General ). While at Embassy Manila, we often had SSA requests to verify that retired Americans recieving SocSec were in fact alive based on age and passport renewal lapses, family referrals, or VA referrals (Manila has a US VA clinic). Nearly all were alive, just enjoying old age where you can live well on SocSec. On one occasion, a Filipino family had been caring for an elderly man who had been with them for decades. The man died; the family buried him with great ceremony, but kept his thumbs in a freezer to prove life (with inked thumbprints) to the Philippine bank to which his SocSec was auto-transferred from the US.

"Social Security fights fraud at the national, regional, and local levels to protect our mission to serve the American public. To meet this challenge, we work closely with our Office of the Inspector General (OIG), which is responsible for investigating allegations of fraud related to our programs, operations, and employees. SSA's OIG has the authority to conduct criminal investigations, make arrests, and bring criminal and civil prosecutions. Our OIG works together with federal, state, and local law enforcement partners to investigate allegations of Social Security fraud. They also partner with U.S. attorneys within the Department of Justice, and other state and local prosecuting authorities, to prosecute federal crimes." Fraud Prevention and Reporting | SSA

 

[Puller]

I just use my passport when I fly. Easy peasy.

 

[Rustyt1953]

My flying days are long over. My passport now serves as a coaster.