Recomendations on digital scale and powder measure?

My advice is forget about it. Stick with a good balance beam scale. They have worked for hundreds of years are guaranteed for life and are not subject to all the little annoy things that electronics are. To get a good digital scale costs a lot of money, you gain nothing IMO. The scale and powder measure combos can not be faster than just setting a powder measure and dropping powder charges.

If you like gadgets and spending money go for it. JMO

Maybe the new I phone version has an app for this.:)

"May the odds be forever in your favor"

Agreed. I have an RCBS 5-0-5 that I expect will outlast me. As to a PM, the Redding 3BR Match Grade with pistol insert is accurate to within +/- a tenth of a grain consistently and that should also outlive me. I stick with components that have a good and long history of reliability.
 
In my readings of digital scales and dispensers I have read too many negative posts about problems with the RCBS Chargemaster 1500. Many people reported extremely slow trickling time (with a work around of a McDonald's straw), and several have reported electronic failures issues. This combined with RCBS' 1 year warranty on electronic items--really scares me away. The one I would consider is PACTS which is about $75 cheaper than the RCBS and has a limited lifetime warranty. I think if you are loading rifle rounds it would be a handy tool, but for handguns, I think I would just be using my regular powder dispenser and balance beam.

I tend to agree with the conclusion that the ChargeMaster is more suited to rifle round hand loaders. However, it sure is handy when working up a ladder for a new pistol load.

The McDonalds straw trick is to avoid over-charges and it works well. Keeps powder kernels from continuing to fall after the machine stops at the correct weight.

If you want to speed up the powder dispensing process (and you probably will), just call RCBS tech support and they'll email you excellent instructions. Heck, send me a PM with your email address and I'll forward the RCBS instructions to you.

As far as the warranty goes, in my experience electronics either go bad very quickly during the "burn in" period or they work nearly forever. I did have to send my first RCBS ChargeMaster back to Brownells because it would lose zero overnight and check weights showed it was off and inconsistent. They paid shipping BOTH ways and the second one is great.

Also, RCBS seems to stand behind their products no matter what. I managed to damage the pivot knives on my 5-0-5 scale. Called RCBS and told them what happened. They said "Send it in!" Two weeks later, I got the original pan cradle and foot back. They'd replaced the body and the beam, plus calibrated it for me. NO CHARGE and the scale was over 3 years old.

Sorry if this response is overkill. I just don't like it when someone bashes a product based on second hand "knowledge".
 
TheTinMan, I didn't mean to come across as bashing the RCBS 1500--so I apologize if my post read that way. I tend to research products alot before I buy. While I have read some rave reviews from owners that love their RCBS Chargemaster Combos, I have also read several posts from people being on their 2nd or 3rd or + unit, due to previous one's failing. Common issues mentioned were keypad failure, and failure to zero. There was enough posting that made me personally uncomfortable with purchasing one--where they only have a 1 year warranty. Like you mentioned electronics tend to either die quickly or last forever. So like most consumer electronics you take your chances.
 
Unless the PACT has changed, it operates as two different parts that have to be able to send an IR signal back and forth. I had one and it was a pain.
First, you had to go through a long calibration procedure and then you had to be sure that they were kept in one place. Sometimes, for no reason I could tell, they would lose communication and I would be moving one unit around until communication resumed.
The ChargeMaster joins the two electronically into one single unit.
It does not need to be calibrated.
However, the first charge dispensed is often an overcharge as it hasn't learned yet how soon it needs to drop down to trickle speed.
I set it for, say, 3.0gn when I want to dispense 4.0gn or so. When it is done, the charge is probably 3.7gn. I then input the charge I want and it completes the dispensing. If it stops at 3.9gn and won't resume dispensing, I hit the "trickle" button once and that does it.
The biggest error I ever get is 0.2gn and the largest normal error is 0.1gn. In both cases, I simply touch the powder in the pan with a finger and remove a few kernels. One touch is almost always good for the 0.1gn error. Remember, a 5.0gn charge is somewhere around 4.95gn to 5.04gn, so the "error" is almost always a VERY small error--right with any other ±0.1gn balance.
Its speed, unadjusted, keeps up with my 1050s, so I have never needed to program it.
If you were loading large rifle cases, though, the time would be somewhat longer.
However, when I have loaded rifle cases, the time has not been more than about 10 seconds from start to finish dispensing. It also has an auto-dispense feature, so as soon as you put the empty pan back on the balance and the weight has returned to zero, the dispensing starts automatically.
Finally, as mentioned above, if you do need to increase the speed for a given load, you can program the unit to improve the time (this will hurt the time for much lighter or heavier loads, but you can optimize it for your pet load).
If electronics bother you, then you need to get a hand trickler as no other electronic dispenser is going to be any more reliable.
Electronics tend to die within the first month and the 1 year warranty is sufficient--though there will always be some electronics that die after a year or more.
I had an old Pact unit and the ChargeMaster is far superior and worth the additional cost.
PS: There is always the occasional lemon for any product and the 'net gives people a much wider area to tell their tales. Also, I wonder some times how many are simply people who feel that beams are more reliable and want to help others to buy what they consider the best.
 
I use my Lyman 1200 DPS 3 for match rifle loads. It meters Alliant Reloder 15 very well, as well as, Varget. I have also used it to load high pressure pistol cartridges. It works well with Bullseye, Power Pistol and American select. I would never go back to a balance beam scale and mechanical powder measure.
 
I use the RCBS Chargemaster and it works really well with most powders the exception being W231 and HP38. The W231 & HP38 tend to clump up in the drop tube and will vary as much as 3 to 8 tenths. For those two powders I go back to the "old faithfull Lyman #55".
 
I meter a LOT of 231/HP38 and never had clumping. The only clumping I get is in the hopper (any powder measure hopper) with Power Pistol and TiteGroup.
I suspect clumping is NOT a powder issue but a lot issue determined by residual solvents (particularly the "green" aqueous solutions).
I got a McD straw just to see, and couldn't figure out what to do with it (didn't fit inside and didn't fit outside)--and didn't care enough to try YouTube or anything.
If an occasional charge is over, who cares? Just touch the powder and remove some. If in a clump, then remove the clump and have the machine re-dispense.
I liked the Lyman when I looked at it years ago (it sits on a shelf without sticking out 6-12"), but, at least at that time, it appeared to be a pain to clean out unless you tilted it over more than 90 degrees. The new ones appear to have a different and improved opening to clean it out.
Asked Lyman and got a snotty reply, so I went with the one that looked easiest to clean out--I do not tip my digital balances and do not shake them, so the dispenser had to be easy to clean out.
All the RCBS needs is the brush that is included.
No matter what the dispenser, when the hopper and all is empty, I set the dispenser to dispense 99 grains and hit the button. In several seconds the trickler is clear and ready to go.
 
I meter a LOT of 231/HP38 and never had clumping. The only clumping I get is in the hopper (any powder measure hopper) with Power Pistol and TiteGroup.
I suspect clumping is NOT a powder issue but a lot issue determined by residual solvents (particularly the "green" aqueous solutions).
I got a McD straw just to see, and couldn't figure out what to do with it (didn't fit inside and didn't fit outside)--and didn't care enough to try YouTube or anything.
If an occasional charge is over, who cares? Just touch the powder and remove some. If in a clump, then remove the clump and have the machine re-dispense.
I liked the Lyman when I looked at it years ago (it sits on a shelf without sticking out 6-12"), but, at least at that time, it appeared to be a pain to clean out unless you tilted it over more than 90 degrees. The new ones appear to have a different and improved opening to clean it out.
Asked Lyman and got a snotty reply, so I went with the one that looked easiest to clean out--I do not tip my digital balances and do not shake them, so the dispenser had to be easy to clean out.
All the RCBS needs is the brush that is included.
No matter what the dispenser, when the hopper and all is empty, I set the dispenser to dispense 99 grains and hit the button. In several seconds the trickler is clear and ready to go.
The Lyman 1200 DPS 3 isn't really hard to empty. I use a plastic coffee can lid to catch the powder after I open the little door in the back of the machine. I then can tip it a little and then use the little brush to get out the little that remains. I don't have any experience with the prior models. I'm sure that the Pact and RCBS models are also very good products.
 
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I just got a Horizon Pro-50A electronic scale on Amazon for $45.99 shipped. It's accurate down to .02 grains and I'm actually quite impressed with how good it works. Of course, always back up everything you do with a good beam scale, but for convenience and good accuracy this scale is hard to beat. I'm actually surprised not more folks in the reloading community know about this little scale. For the money I've not found any other digital scale that comes even close; and I've scoured many reloading forums and read hundreds of posts and articles to research which scale to get. As far as I'm concerned this is a supreme deal for the money. Got it today, calibrated it, tared it. Everything appears to work flawlessly.
 
I bought the RCBS CM it worked great the first time i used it after the warrenty ran out (2 weeks) it wont hold in Auto it my throw 10 then stop and i have to reset it call RCBS thay said sorry no help
 
I'm in the "it ain't an upgrade category."

For rifle cartridges, the RCBS 10-10 scale and Uniflow powder measure are my most trusted combo.

An electronic scale is convenient, but one will never take the place of a quality beam scale on my bench.

The dispenser combos aren't my cup of tea. Too slow and temperature sensitive for my taste.
 
hey Swampersand

Hey Swampersand, Just to let you know the Lyman 1200 DOS-3 is very sensitive to static electricity. Wipe down the clear plasitic powder tube and the dispenser plastic with a dryer sheet and your problems will most likely go away. I do touch it up from time to time. I love mine now that I fixed it. [

QUOTE=swampersand;136702977]I "upgraded" to a Lyman 1200 DPS-3 and I'm afraid I made a multi-hundred dollar mistake. The charges can vary by rather large amounts and the drift in zero is so frequent that you need to zero every few charges.
 
Wow I posted this up a quite a few months ago and it reappears?
Well I was going to upgrade my scale but after agonizing on it and using the funds for the new scale for more reloading supplies, I stuck with my 505 and a uni flow measure, and am just muddling through, but speed is not everything?

Carl
 

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