Release slide on an empty chamber?

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I am not a gunsmith, and the following is meant as a beginning point for discussion. Recently, a member wrote, concerning my statement that a modern pistol is not damaged by allowing the slide to close on an empty chamber:

"Depends upon the design of the pistol. Single action pistols, especially those with tuned actions, this is true {Do not close on empty chamber} as the slide slamming home on an empty chamber can cause the hammer to bounce and pound the sear's engagement surface, which will peen that surface. Eventually, the sear surface will round off, which leads to the sear no longer catching the hammer and the hammer will follow the slide.

With striker fired and DAO pistols, this is usually not an issue."

I believe this is a mostly accurate and carefully written statement, but I believe there is more to it. Any time there is a sear engaging a hammer or even a striker, the "bounce" referred to could be an issue for the stated reasons.

It seems to me that manufacturers are well aware of this potential. So, they design their firearms with original specs that prevent the potential for hammer bounce. They have sufficient springs, engagement surfaces and angles to keep the gun operating safely through tens of thousands of slide cycles--empty chamber or not. This usually means factory triggers are somewhat heavy, and because surfaces are not yet polished through wear, they may have a gritty and uneven pull. They smooth out and become better as they break in over a few hundred rounds--or hand operated slide cycles and trigger pulls on empty chambers. However, the gun is no less safe after the break in period. In fact, it is more reliable.

SA military pistols (like the former 1911s and Berettas) were required to have the slide slammed shut without a round in the chamber (by releasing the slide release--Oh NO!) and the trigger pulled on the empty chamber for a safety check before holstering, sometimes numerous times daily with a carried pistol. The SA hammer follow problem was not a common occurrence in the military.

If the difference in shock resonating through a pistol with the slide closing on an empty chamber vs. a loaded chamber is even measurable, I imagine, but do not know, it would be miniscule. If such closing of the slide on an empty chamber could cause hammer bounce to some degree, would it not also happen when a round is in the chamber to some (lesser?) degree? In other words, every time the pistol is loaded or fired?

Now, if you want a glass break, 3#, short take up/no over travel target trigger on any gun not originally designed for it, SA 1911 or striker fired, you can do it. Good gunsmiths can deliver this trigger pull, but the gun is now out of original spec. And if a home gunsmith does this trigger job? It may have lighter springs, reduced engagement surfaces with different angles, in other words, it may have become a delicate piece that needs special care to keep functioning safely. It may wear out quicker and become unsafe sooner than a factory spec pistol.

For these types of specialty pistols, the advice of not dropping the slide on an empty chamber may be wise. However, this is a very small subset of the pistols in circulation, and their owners wanting such delicate, high performance pistols with tighter tolerances for greater accuracy are probably aware of the restrictive handing required to keep them running safely.

IOW, it seems to me that not dropping your slide on an empty chamber is rather specific, not general, advice. For most shooters, especially new shooters with a modern pistol, dropping the slide on an empty chamber is a helpful exercise in learning the mechanics of the firearm. The firearm is designed to not allow hammer/striker bounce, so it is not an issue. The benefits outweigh the very, very small risks.

In my opinion.
 
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It is definitely going to be a great discussion.:)

My opinion:
slide slamming home on empty chamber doesn't do anything bad...
...unless
you have a handgun with fine tuned action, where 1/64 of inch can make difference.

Anyway, if you buy regular mass production handgun - you can drive slide on empty chamber thousand times... and it won't change anything...
If you spend $5K.. the manufacturer will tell you not to do this. :cool:
 
"Unload and show clear. Close the slide. Pull the trigger. Holster. The range is safe."

Required at the end of every action pistol stage including in every IDPA, USPSA, ICORE, and IPSC match I've been in. If you or your gun is too delicate for this, don't enter. I have broken ONE Browning BDM firing pin dry firing on an empty chamber in 50 years of shooting. No other damage.

LOTS of high priced 1911s and 2011s in USPSA do this drill.
(Just release the slide with your hand, not the slide catch, then pull the trigger)
 
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"Unload and show clear. Close the slide. Pull the trigger. Holster. The range is safe."

Required at the end of every action pistol stage including in every IDPA, USPSA, ICORE, and IPSC match I've been in...
This not conclusive because there is no detail on how the slide is 'closed'. I never slingshot my slide when I close it in idpa matches, or at any other time when there is no loaded mag in place. I can feel a difference in how hard the slide slams forward w/o a mag vs w/ a mag. Will it hurt the gun? I don't know. But I can easily reduce that smack by riding the slide forward, so I do. Why wouldn't I? There is no hurry involved in this process so, if I add 1/10 second, it won't hurt anything. To me this is a simple general appreciation of how mechanical equipment works and how I can reduce wear by choosing one method vs another.
 
My only two semi autos are the original LCP & M&P 2.0 Compact. Does anyone know if it’s okay to drop the slide on an empty chamber on either of these?
 
I don’t understand why we’re discussing babying a piece of equipment designed to facilitate a controlled explosion which propels a projectile at hundreds of feet per second and then slams a hunk of metal back towards the operator with purpose. You oughta see how many times the action gets worked at speed during the assembly and testing process . . .
 
I saw a video on the subject recently posted by Brownells, and according to the gunsmith in the video, it's not something that can hurt your firearm if done infrequently, but you obviously shouldn't do it often or frequently because there's really no need to do so.
 
The hammer is not going to peen or damage the sear surface if the slide is closed either suddenly or slowly. The hammer and sear springs hold the hammer engaged with the sear. If the trigger pull is set so light that the hammer bounces out of engagement from shock, the hammer will fall, same as dry firing. I have a 1911 that will often bounce the hammer our of engagement when the slide drops on a live found, causing a double fire, but nothing gets damaged.
 
The only reason to drop the slide on empty chamber more than 10 - 20 times a day is dry fire... which I do almost everyday and my M&P has to eat this about 200 times/day (that gives about 4K whacks per month).
It still shoots perfectly :)
 
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What irritates me more is when you hand your empty handgun to another person and they slam home the slide using the slide stop an empty chamber. i just think it's very ignorant to handle someone else handgun in that manner. In my case, it was a 1942 Walther P38.
 
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So they release the slide with a device you call the “slide release,” and you’re mad?

What irritates me more is when you hand your empty handgun to another person and they slam home the slide using the slide release. i just think it's very ignorant to handle someone else handgun in that manner. In my case, it was a 1942 Walther P38.
 
If I recall my physics, that action carries less force than a: firing the pistol, and b: yanking the slide back to release the slide stop and letting the slide slam forward . . .

Oh come on, you ease the slide forward and do not slingshot. i thought that was a given.
 
It’s not a given at all. It’s a machine designed to control a small explosion and expell a projectile at hundreds of feet per second, slamming the slide rearward, which then slams forward at speed with force. I’d quit handing my pistol to people without a checklist, PowerPoint, and pre and post written and practical test . . .

Oh come on, you ease the slide forward and do not slingshot. i thought that was a given.
 
Oh come on, you ease the slide forward and do not slingshot. i thought that was a given.
If you train yourself to ease the slide forward, do you not risk this carrying over to do the same when loading a round into the chamber and thus potentially causing a misfeed? I have to work hard to prevent new shooters from doing this, seems like they always want to "baby" the gun and ease the slide forward.
 
If you train yourself to ease the slide forward, do you not risk this carrying over to do the same when loading a round into the chamber and thus potentially causing a misfeed? I have to work hard to prevent new shooters from doing this, seems like they always want to "baby" the gun and ease the slide forward.


Wow, you're not training yourself to ease the slide forward on an empty chamber. It's just common courtesy to handle someone else's handgun in a less violent manner, especially if it's a collectable. There's a very obvious difference between loading a round into the chamber or slamming home on an empty chamber.
 

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