Reloading .38 special SWC target ammo.

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I'm getting back into reloading since I stopped doing so back
in the mid-70's. I plan on reloading .38 special target loads
using lead 158 gr. SWC bullets. I have a RCBS Rockchucker
single stage press. I just picked up some Bullseye powder, and
now I'm looking for the RCBS carbide dies. My question is, do
I need to pick up RCBS carbide dies marked for SWC for my
reloading?

Thanks in advance for any info.
 
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I have a 38spl/357mag Lee 4 die set with the carbide resizer off amazon that also included the #1 shell holder

I use Lee Dies,Lee Hand Press and Lee Hand Priming Tool for 38spl,357mag,45ACP and 45 Colt

I weigh every load on an RCBS 10-10 scale

A 158gr LSWC over 2.8gr of Bullseye and a 148gr HBWC over 2.7gr of Bullseye shoot well in a Model 15-6

I don't cast so I buy bullets by the 500 wherever I can find the the cheapest

9mm is so cheap I don't bother loading it and don't pick up the brass.
 
I use Redding dies for my .38s. I load both 158 gr SWC and 148 gr DEWC no special seating stem.
 
Hope you find the dies needed........ most 3 die sets will work
for the 38 special.
Carbide is not needed if you use a grease pad but some like the
cleaned, new option for just a little more money.

My J frame snub nose likes the 158gr LRN bullet.
My 6" barrel likes the 158gr Lswc bullet.
You never know until you try them or just get lucky.

Have fun.
 
As stated, most .38/.357 die sets come with both a rounded and a flat nose seating punch, the latter for FWC and SWC. 2.8-3.0 grains of Bullseye has always been the classic target load for a 148 grain FWC bullet.
 
In my experience, 2.8 - 3.2 grs. Bullseye should give very good results for 158 gr. lead bullets. 2.8 grs. would do you well for 148 gr. wadcutters. The 38 special is a wonderful cartridge to shoot and reload for, enjoy yourself :-)
 
Don't forget Unique powder. 4.7 grains of Unique under a 158 SWC or 157 grain solid base WC works great for me.

Haven't loaded any 148 WC's in a while (years). When I did, Bullseye was the norm.

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3.4 grs Bullseye makes for a good plinking load with good accuracy in
my guns with a 158 gr cast SWC or RN bullet. I've found that most of
my guns give a little better accuracy with the RN bullets. I've loaded
many SWCs in the past with a seating stem cut for the RN and it
works ok but does seem to round the edges of the SWC bullets a
little. I now use seating dies with the correct stem for the bullets I
am loading since I have acquired more dies. You can buy the seating
stems for different bullet shapes without having to buy the whole die
but it's a lot more handy to have a few seating-crimpimg dies with
different shaped stems in them already adjusted.
 
separate crimp

One other thing to consider since you are purchasing new dies is purchasing a separate crimping die. I also started reloading in the late 1970s or early 1980s and still use my original carbide RCBS 3-die set for .38/.357. The third dies seats and crimps. I have used it on HBWC, LSWC, semi-jacketed, plated, etc. for years. It was suggested to me to use a separate crimp. Since that time, my group sizes have shrunk. It seems more helpful with HBWCs as it prevents or reduces the amount of shaving.
 
I won many a PPC contest with 3.5gr of Bullseye under a 158gr LSWC out of my M586 6". Now, if you want to go wild....rather than mild.....you can always look up some of the loads from the old reloading manuals and give them a try. Just be careful....... :D
 
Be sure to buy a die set that contains a carbide or nitride coated sizing die, then you save a step in reloading and it works like a charm. I don't use a separate crimp die for rimmed shells, makes no sense to me. Neither do I sort brass, measure brass etc. I just clean it and reload it.

Have fun and be safe.

Have a blessed day,

Leon
 
I'm sorry I can't help you with Bullseye since I use only W231/HP-38 for all my .38 Special loads so if you decide to change over give me a holler.
 
Use the flat (wc) seating stem for the swc's, I have loaded countless 1000's of 38spl's for decades using that same rcbs/wc combo.

You don't need to worry about seating and crimping in different stages if you're using a "standard" roll crimp.

3.3gr to 3.6gr of bullseye will get you to the promised land. And yes, .3gr will make a difference. It depends on the length of the bullet's body/depth seated in case and the diameter of the cylinders. You're matching the pressure/seal/expansion of the case to your clyinders.

I've cast my own swc's for decades using some of the classic molds/designs:
lyman 358429/358431/358439
lyman 358156
lyman 358477
h&g #51

Of those bullets the 150gr 358477 always out performed the other accuracy wise along with being more accurate with a wider range of loads.

Another bullet to look at in your quest for an "accurate" 38spl target load is a fn (flat nose) or rn (round nose) design that doesn't have a shoulder. They've changed the angle on the forcing cones of modern revolvers to shoot the swc's/shouldered bullets more accurately. But any mistakes in reloading (angled bullets/loaded off center) or any fouling/buildup on the forcing cone or timing issues will put the bullet's shoulder on a collision course with the forcing cone.

This fn bullet has quickly become my favorite for the 38spl/357's. The best of 3 different worlds. It's extremely accurate, lethal, 2 crimp grooves that gives the reloader the ability to move the bullet in or out into the different sized cylinders/loading for accuracy.



The 2 targets on the right are those 640's (pictured above) using 2 of my favorite 38spl target powders. Note the 3.5gr on int, that load has been extremely accurate in every 38spl/357 I've ever tried it in with any 158gr bullet. You want to see if your revolver likes a bullet/lube/seating depth, try it with 3.5gr of int (int ='s international clays). The bullseye powder I usually start out at 3.3gr and work up to 3.6gr looking for accuracy.



Why those pictures/loads don't look like much, 6-shot groups @ 50ft. I wanted a load that is accurate enough to shoot shotgun shells setup on the bowling pin table & 50ft. Want to give the guys using 22's a run for their money. That load is accurate enough to hold the x-ring on the nra 50ft target.



I'm in the process of loading 4,000 of those mihec 640's/3.5gr of int to play with.

Something else to think about, you should look into coated bullets. Put 200 rounds of those bullets pictured above down the tube in my 686. The bbl's/forcing cones stay clean along with the cylinders/ring build-up. No build-up ='s accuracy. Not much to clean-up after 200rounds.



Just something to think about seeing how you're just getting started.
 
I have a 38spl/357mag Lee 4 die set with the carbide resizer off amazon that also included the #1 shell holder

I use Lee Dies,Lee Hand Press and Lee Hand Priming Tool for 38spl,357mag,45ACP and 45 Colt

I weigh every load on an RCBS 10-10 scale

A 158gr LSWC over 2.8gr of Bullseye and a 148gr HBWC over 2.7gr of Bullseye shoot well in a Model 15-6

I don't cast so I buy bullets by the 500 wherever I can find the the cheapest

9mm is so cheap I don't bother loading it and don't pick up the brass.

As cheap as 9MM is NOW, it sure wasn't after Newtown and that was IF you could find it. And while the price is reasonable, it's still more than reloads. I can reload 100 round of 9MM copper jacketed rounds for about 13 bucks. Show me where you can buy 100 9 MM rounds for that price.

Besides, I like reloading my own. Gives me something to do.
 
Forrest r: what alloy are you using with the 358477? You reference the 358477 but the picture is a different bullet with 2 crimps? What one is that and aren't the 2 crimps for use in both 357Mag and 38sp depth? Thanks
 
Carbide dies used to be EXPENSIVE.....

Hope you find the dies needed........ most 3 die sets will work
for the 38 special.
Carbide is not needed if you use a grease pad but some like the
cleaned, new option for just a little more money.

My J frame snub nose likes the 158gr LRN bullet.
My 6" barrel likes the 158gr Lswc bullet.
You never know until you try them or just get lucky.

Have fun.

But now they are very reasonably priced and there's no reason not to get a set. I'm still using the old .38 steel die set and I don't need much of an excuse to go by the carbide set. That way, lubing is optional.
 

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