Remington 12 .22 pump (UPDATE, need a REM. 121)

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What is the possibility of finding one of these in pristine condition and what sort of price range am I looking at? Thank you.


I have been asked to find a rifle like the one in the two pictures. This is a Remington model 121, rather than a 12. My friend thinks this one is in good condition so a nice example would really shock him.
 

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Remington made a number of variations of the Model 12 (12, 12A, 12B Gallery and 12C Target). They also made some high grade variations. Early guns weren't marked as to the variation, so you need to identify them by the features.

High condition guns are out there, but they usually don't come cheap. You can pay $700 or more for an excellent 12A and over $2K for a really nice 12C. Keep in mind that these guns should only be shot with standard velocity ammunition. The Model 121 was designed to handle high speed .22's.

I've owned a few, but only snapped a photo of this early unmarked 12C. It wasn't pristine, but it was well better than you usually find.

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I have one, Bad bore. Unlike contemporary Winchester .22's, I've found the steel Remington seemed inferior. I us mine with .22 shotshells.
 
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they are out there... cost a pretty penny... my late father had one.. big brother inherited that.. so I found a basket case and had it restored by a friend of mine.. it is a 1924 12A.. finding and fixing one will get close to a pristine original in cost... but can be shot without any worries about losing value..
 

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Bolt

O.P. - not sure of your usage of a Rem
Mdl 12 .22lr, collect only or for plinking
once in awhile. I was fortunate many
years ago to get a Mdl 12; a used definitely
shooter grade, they used stuff back in the
day.

A word of caution about shooting just a
Mdl 12, use only Standard Velocity .22lr.
I don’t know the years to use only S.V. 22lr
but I only use S.V. now. The reason, High
Velocity ammo will crack the bolt. I checked
mine it was ok.

The Best to you and your Endeavors.
 
FYI, check the caliber stamp on the barrel. Model 12 were also chambered in .22 Rem.Special (aka. .22WRF). Mine is marked Model 12 and is chambered for .22 Rem. Spec. Serial # range 814,000, barrel date code EY, Oct. 1930.
 
I'll have to search thru my photos and find my Grandpa's 12C with an Octagon barrel. I have the rifle with the original sales receipt and owner's manual. I believe he paid around $18 back in 1938. It's nice with character. Lots of sentimental value.:)

About a weeks wages for that time..
 
The first of the production were not Model marked and were simply called 'The New .22 Repeater' by Remington.
They are usually stamped 'RW' on the bottom forward edge of the frame. That stands for Remington Works so I'm told.

One very important thing to look for when buying any Rem Model 12 (or a Model 121 for that matter) is to makesure the rifle has it's
Cartridge Retainer (also called the Bullet Guide) in place in the gun.

It's a part that can be visually seen both outside of the assembled gun and also the rear part (the bullet guide ramp portion) can be seen inside the open breech.

This slender part can fall free of the rifle when it is taken down and not noticed. Which usually happens when someone is unfamiliar with the rifle(s).
They figure out the sequence of how to get the action slide forward and bolt out of the gun, but in that dis-assembly, that Cartridge Guide part is free to simply fall out of the slot it lays in as the action slide is pulled forwards in the process.

Never noticed or seen, it's not looked for to be re-inserted during re-assembly. The rifle goes right back together w/o it being in place. The action seems to function fine when re-assembled.
But when loaded with cartridges, the rifle jams immedietely w/o it being in place.

There are a couple different styles of the part depending on ser# era. A different one for the .22RemSpecial cal rifle. The Model 121 rifle uses a different one as well.
They are not cheap to find. Wisners sells repros which are very good quality but does not always have them in stock.

Several other parts for the 12 were changed during production, bolt, firing pin, ejector, etc. So replacements must be specific to the age of the rifle.

..and yes, use only .22 Std Vel ammo in any Rem Model 12 rifle.
They were designed and mfg before the advent of HS .22 ammo.
The 121 has a wider locking lug accross the top of the bolt and the recv'r itself and bolt as such are wider and stronger.

The rifles are great shooters and have always taken a back seat to the Winchester pumps. But lately the prices have been getting higher (what hasn't).
Any high grade guns of course get good prices if any originality still exists. Though even some basket cases are out there demanding some pretty hopeful investements in their present form.
They used European Walnut on the high grades, some great engraving and gold and/or Silver inlays on the very top offerings.

I restored a collection of the high grade Model 12 and Model 16 Remingtons for a customer some yrs back.
All had been D&T'd for scopes both side mount and top mount,,mostly Weaver mounts. One of the top D&T holes went right thru a gold inlayed Setter's head !

Bbls D&T's, extra dovetails in the bbls, one had a home made saddle ring on the left side of the action. Buffer polishes and hot blue finishes were the norm as well as wood sanded and redone with poly wood finish. Right over the fine checkering.

I often wonder where they are today.
I've seen other high grade Model 12 Rems,,but I can't recall any other Model 16's.
He was a different sort of 'collector' to say the least.
 
What is your reason for a Model 12 in high condition?
Desire? Nostalgia? Bucket list?
Here is my well used model 12 with a variety of friends.
Savage Model 1914
Winchester Model 06
Remington Model 12
Remington Model 121
Winchester Model 61
Remington Model 572
 

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My father had a 12C that disappeared over the years. I bought one made in 1916 in nice shape in the early 2000s and wound up giving it to my little brother about 10 years ago.
 
Did Remington produce a case to store the rifle when taken down ? Like Savage did for the 24C ? Jim
 
A lot of the .22 rifles I have seen at auctions over the years were used right hard during its life. . Especially older ones that put food on the table during hard times. I kept looking for a 1960s era Remington 572 Fieldmaster pump in very good condition for years as my dad taught us to shoot with one. Finally found at a local auction several years ago. Think I paid about $250 for it. Very accurate and shoots .22 shorts, long and lr. Can load the tube magazine with a mix of them. I think it holds 18 or 20 shorts.
 
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My father had a 12C that disappeared over the years. I bought one made in 1916 in nice shape in the early 2000s and wound up giving it to my little brother about 10 years ago.

I'm glad you have that sort of relationship with your younger brother.

When our mom died, there was a dispute over his inheritance. Even though I told him I would take care of him after the estate was settled, he refused to come to her celebration of life. We haven't spoken since she died in 2015. :(
 
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