Remington 38 Spl +P 110 gr SJHP

[38SPL HV]

Anyone try these? They've been around a long time. Remington claims 995 fps from a 4 inch vented barrel. I bet that is pretty close to real world, since my experience with Remington loads is pretty consistent with their vented barrel velocities.

But the usual flash - guess they must use a commercial grade Power Pistol (BE-84)!

Any likes or dislikes with this round? Old school design but still good IMHO.

Any chorno results for it?

 

[Rpg]

I don't have any crono data.

These light weight loads look good on paper since they are driven to higher velocity than heavier projectiles but are undesireable since they limit penetration.

All these light weight projectile loads boast impressive 'psi' numbers.

These numbers are misleading because they result from over weighting velocity: psi is calculated using the square of the velocity.

This grossly overstates the impotance of velocity in pistol rounds.

A better measure is momentum: weight X velocity instead of weight X the square of velocity.

 

[Nevada Ed]

In my M49 snub the win/Rem old style SJHP bullets are only
so so with accuracy with most of my loadings.

A low of 674fps to a high of 950 for my +p loads with 11 powders......
plus a heavy 996 fps Cor-Bon type loading that was very accurate.

as a note, the 125gr SJHP test did 683 to a high of 903for a +P loading. One load did 952fps in the snub but should be rated as a K frame loading.

Even though they can reach +P speeds, there is the problem of accuracy or POA to deal with in your weapons. I had to pass on how the 110gr Rem/Win old style did in my test and was not to happy with the 125gr bullets but at 880fps they did look to be a fair SD load if needed.
I save the little 110gr at 866fps for practice in the 2"........

In the 6" 686 with a 38 case the win 110 starts at 885 and makes 1305 for an interesting load.
A 38 fac loading of 945 is doable with Bullseye to 14gr of IMR4227 with the long barrel.
Medium powders around 1050 and slow powders around 1120fps seemed to be accurate in my revolvers for long shots in the desert.

Good luck.

 

[mike campbell]

PSI = pounds/square inch....a measure of pressure, which does not correlate directly to energy and/or recoil

KE = 0.5 x mass x velocity squared...a measure of kinetic energy. If the velocity is muzzle velocity then the energy is termed muzzle energy (ME)

over-penetration by slow/heavy/non-expanding bullets, with 2 holes to bleed from...and maybe a third hole if someone is behind the first target...is considered undesirable by some.

Limited penetration (the human torso is less than 12" deep), when accompanied by violent disruption of tissue and cavity formation from a light/fast/expanding bullet is considered desirable by some.

It's all about trade-offs, compromises and personal choices.

Regarding the subject line; the 110HP was an early and fairly successful attempt to get good expansion from reduced velocity, such as with 2" barrels. Still a good choice but, IMO, it has been eclipsed by the modern ,hi-tech, 125-135 HP's....they perform great from 2" barrels.

 

[jimmyj]

Standard velocity ammo has always been what I have used and have no complaints

 

[Big Cholla]

There is no "magic bullet" for any handgun. It was and still is 'bullet placement' and more than one per incident. Practice for accuracy while minimizing time taken while using a factory load your handgun shoots the most accurately. Learn a little about human anatomy and physiology. Not every self defense shooting situation is an automatic "shoot to center of mass". ...

 

[Homie]

In answer to your chrono question-
1192 FPS avg. with ES of 52 from a 6" M 19.
The Standard velocity load was 1092 FPS avg. with ES of 30.

 

[38SPL HV]

Homie, is that 1,192 fps with the Remington's 110 gr SJHP 38 Spl +P? It's moving like the old Super Vel 110s from a 4 inch!

Pretty cool

 

[Homie]

Better than even the famed Treasury Load in that particular 19!
I believe it was rather early production, R-38S10 in a box with the Bridgeport address, rather than the later ones from Lonoke.

 

[38SPL HV]

Yes, Remington used to "roll those" not far where I live in CT. Those were the days!

 

[38SPL HV]

Checking old Remington catalogs, Remington dumbed down this load in 1983 to present velocity of 995 fps from 4 inch vented barrel. 1982 catalog listed it at 1,020 fps from same 4 inch vented. Looks like 1983 was the year Remington reduced their +P loads to present day velocities - just my observation only.

 

[moxie]

One major drawback of the 110 loads is minimal bearing surface. Increases the likelihood of bullet jump, especially with the very light J-frames and LCRs, etc.

 

[38SPL HV]

Good point

 

[Nevada Ed]

I believe that is why the companies put a cannelure on the 110 JHP.
All the factory +P ammo that I see has a medium to heavy crimp on the ammo, per the company.

I have yet to have a factory load jump its crimp......
and none of my 1290fps loads have jumped crimp but it is a
heavy crimp for the 6" 686 revolver with the 38 special cases.

 

[moxie]

The 686 is a decently heavy gun. Bullet jump is more of an issue in light guns with heavy loads. Cannelures are found on almost all bullets designed for revolvers. Don't need cannelures on auto bullets.

 

[Nevada Ed]

On 9/1/2012 I tested some Winchester 110gr SJHP bullets in my 21 oz. all steel J frame........ that averages 996fps.
I did not have any bullet creep in developing this load or any malfunctions, with the medium heavy crimps on the ammo.

It could be a different story in the new 16 oz. "Air weight" that are +P rated, though.......... but I do not own one, to find out.

However the little 110gr bullet at 950fps was a lot easier on the gun and my hand and will get a water test in the future.

 

[poordevil]

I shoot +P+ 110gr in my 642 and never have bullet creep or jump

 

[Edknn123]

Don't know about the +P, but I bought 1000 rounds last month of the standard pressure 110 gr HTP and they ran great in my model 36-1 and 442. I actually bought them for range ammo as the were $16.99/ box of 50 with a $10/ box rebate. Couldn't pass up $6.99/ box and free shipping for .38 spl, plus in a pinch would be better than FMJ if needed. They seemed like a pretty hot standard pressure load.

 

[DocB]

In a handgun I'd be pretty happy using a 110 grain bullet in a 32 caliber weapon. I have just never seen any use in using one in a .357 diameter gun considering all the much better alternatives available.