Remington 9mm Inconsistent Specs??

[Reggie TisFree]

Hey Studs,

I'm looking at some mark-down prices on Remington 9MM 124 Gr Ultimate Defense Compact BJHP. This ammo box does not denote "full size or compact ammo".
Here is the deal...3 different ammo sites have 3 different specs!

1. Ammofast - Energy/334 ft-lbs & Velocity-1100 fps
2. Natchez Shooting/Outdoors - Energy/348 & 1125 fps
3. Bass Pro Shop - Velocity FPS/1180, no muzzle energy.

Before the preaching starts...I just like to know what I'm buying & shooting!

Does anyone have any accurate info & any experience with this ammo?

Thanks

Reg

 

[Brooks]

From Remington's website:

 

[Reggie TisFree]

Thanks!

From Remington's website:

Appreciate your response, but take a look at the the different boxing.

The one you sent shows for "Compact Handgun", The image I uploaded has neither Compact nor Full size as I stated in my original post. That is what's been baffling me...although I see they both share the same "UPC: 047700427706 and MPN: CHD9MMBN

 

[Brooks]

There is another box/ load... +P version 124gr BJHP 1180 FPS.

What is meant by "Full size or Compact ammo"? I am assuming it's for a compact gun or full size gun.

 

[Reggie TisFree]

Yep. I ferreted out the +P specs listed as regular 9mm ammo.
You assumed correctly...Full-sized ammo supposedly performs better in a Full-size pistol... the same for the compact.

 

[reddog81]

Chronograph it in your gun otherwise it’s all just a **** shoot anyways. FWIW one round could do 1180 FPS and the next one 1100 and a 10 shot string could average 1125. In that scenario all numbers would be correct one way or another.

 

[shawn mccarver]

My only suggestion: use the Remington catalog number and look it up on Remington’s website.

 

[Rpg]

An 80 fps range is truly a trivial difference range between rounds with the same load.

Only noticeable differences are interesting. There’s no real world noticeable difference between these rounds.

 

[Reggie TisFree]

Hmm...

Sounds plausible, although it's 100% subjective.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

Velocity is measured with a chronograph, not a computer and a search engine. It was that way sixty, eighty, a hundred years ago, and it still is today. BTW, the chronograph reading will always be lower than the other ones.

Also, see post #8 above.

 

[Reggie TisFree]

I am cognizant of how velocity was and is measured past & present.
Velocity measurement was not the jest of my post.

My experience with chronographs has been more objective...I have seen plenty of readings that were HIGHER.

Also, see post #1 above.

 

[Shibadog]

I’d think that ammo for “compact” pistols would have a faster burning powder. That said, there will always be some deviation in velocity when ammo from the same box is fired through the same gun in the same shooting session. Any other comparisons will just get more skewed-way to many variables (barrel length, temperature, air density, bore dimensions, etc, etc.). Try different stuff to see what works best for you. For casual plinking I shoot the cheapest I can buy or load��

 

[WR Moore]

I'm pretty sure the ammo doesn't know which gun it's being fired in. Speer did/does have short barrel loads with a slightly different bullet, don't know about powder selection.

 

[alwslate]

My experience with Remington factory 9mm ammo has convinced me to buy some other brand, like Federal or Speer.

 

[BSA1]

Check out Ammo Quest ShootingTheBull videos on Youtube. Although his tests are dated in general his testing showed 9mm hollow points need to be going over 1,000 fps for expansion in FBI spec ballistic gel. What is great about for his testing he used 3” barrel 9mm semi-auto handgun.

The Remington specs on their website lists velocity at 1020 fps from unknown length barrel. Given the standard deviation in ammo alone the velocity could be below 1,000 fps. With a 3” barrel compact pistol maybe well within 900 fps range.

With 124 gr. JHP I would personally want 1100+ fps.

<I don’t know if there is factory ammunition that hot.>

Edit; I don’t know why I made that statement. It was a total brain fart as I use Hornady American Gunner in my carry and self-defense guns. Hornady lists their 115 gr. XTP at 1155 fps. and 124 gr. XTP +P @ 1175 fps. from 4” barrel.

They also have a 147 gr. XTP @ 975 fps. but I have never tried it. I have not signed on to using the 147 gr. 9mm.

Hornady lists their Critical Defense 115 gr. FTX at 1155 fps. from 4” barrel. They also make 124 gr. @ 1175 fps. and 135 gr. Flexlock Critical Duty @ 1110 fps. from 4” barrel.

Even though I use and keep on hand both XTP and FTX 9mm I lean more to the XTP.

Anyway I am a big fan of Hornady 9mm and would pass on the Remington.

Now I want to watch his videos again as I have not done so in several years.

 

[LVSteve]

With 124 gr. JHP I would personally want 1100+ fps. I don’t know if there is factory ammunition that hot.

Guy on YouTube tested some Winchester USA Ready 124 gr +P that ran an average 1293 fps from a 5" M&P. Fruity! I'd bet that stuff is close to 1100 fps in a 3" tube.

 

[Reggie TisFree]

Yep

Guy on YouTube tested some Winchester USA Ready 124 gr +P that ran an average 1293 fps from a 5" M&P. Fruity! I'd bet that stuff is close to 1100 fps in a 3" tube.

I bet you're correct. All good numbers!

 

[BLUEDOT37]

I'd think "full-sized ammo" is hotter ammo & is best shot in a stronger full-sized pistol & "compact ammo" is not as hot & for a not as strong pistol, though I've never seen ammo labeled this way & only the manufacturer can tell you what they mean.

I know I won't shoot my 9x19 +P+ ammo in my compact pistol, only my 1911s or AR pistols.

One of my moderate 9x19 handloads runs 1279mv from my 5" 1911 & averages 1151mv from my 3.1" CSX.

Ammo manufacturers don't make it easy to know what you're buying, just one reason I handload.

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[cracker57]

I'd think "full-sized ammo" is hotter ammo & is best shot in a stronger full-sized pistol & "compact ammo" is not as hot & for a not as strong pistol, though I've never seen ammo labeled this way & only the manufacturer can tell you what they mean.
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So I have a cz 75b and a cz 75b compact, your saying the compact is weaker gun? I also had (sold both) a M&P Full size and a M&P compact, again my compact was a weaker built gun?

 

[BLUEDOT37]

Do you think a F150 is as strong as a F350 & can handle the same abuse?

I don't know anything about your CZs I just know most compact & sub-compacts can't handle a steady diet of +P+ ammo due to shorter/lighter slides, angle of barrel, aluminum/polymer frames, mainsprings/guide rods that can't be upgrade, etc, -vs- a full size all steel 5" barrel pistol that has none of those limitations.

If you think your lighter/smaller pistol is as strong as your full size, go for it, it's your money. I'm not.

Again, as I said, I have no idea what the difference is in "full-sized ammo" -vs- "compact ammo" is. Only the manufacturer can tell you what they mean. You can apply your own logic to it, or not.

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