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[BE Mike]

I would speculate that high capacity and the semi-autos capability for a quick follow up shots led to "double tap" simply because it could be easily done. The technique certainly seemed more in vogue with the adoption of high capacity semi autos than it was when revolvers were standard issue.

Actually you are incorrect. Double tap training began in the 80's with revolvers. At least it did at FLETC.

 

[S&Wrevolverfan]

Actually you are incorrect. Double tap training began in the 80's with revolvers. At least it did at FLETC.

You're correct. I went to one of the regional Louisiana P.O.S.T. academies for 14 weeks and also attended Louisiana State Police training in the early 1980's. Using my model 66 and belt loops that was the standard here.

Double tap was already well established as standard training then. I never fired only one round, it was always two. And qualification twice a year after that was all standard double tap.

Worst time of the year to be in an academy in Louisiana July-September when heat and humidity is at it's worst. Made me a better police officer though.

 

[Doug.38PR]

You're correct. I went to one of the regional Louisiana P.O.S.T. academies for 14 weeks and also attended Louisiana State Police training in the early 1980's. Using my model 66 and belt loops that was the standard here.

Double tap was already well established as standard training then. I never fired only one round, it was always two. And qualification twice a year after that was all standard double tap.

Worst time of the year to be in an academy in Louisiana July-September when heat and humidity is at it's worst. Made me a better police officer though.

What part of Louisiana would that be?

 

[RGVshooter]

Interesting conversation, nice "stories" to go with it. Only thing missing with these "stories" is the credible factual data to back it up... Without well documented facts, well then guys they're just stories...The only thing we can all agree on is by watching hundreds of surveillance videos of civilian self defense shootings on Youtube it's clear that no matter what caliber or handgun platform is used, it's amazing how fast a human can scramble out of the way when someone is shooting at them. And THAT is the purpose of self defense. The intent is to stop the threat and if the mere sight of a good guy pulling out a handgun causes the bad guy to get the heck out of there, well then the handgun performed it's intended purpose; To protect.

Back to topic. I'm a revolver guy. I've been shooting revolvers since I was a kid back in the late 70's. My EDC is a s&w 642 and yeah, I even carry my police trade 4" model 10 heavy barrel half the time. My carry ammo is mostly remington golden sabre +P's. I am extremely confident either will "get the job done" in a life or death situation although carrying my 4" mod 10 does make me hold my head up just a little bit higher.

 

[BE Mike]

Interesting conversation, nice "stories" to go with it. Only thing missing with these "stories" is the credible factual data to back it up... Without well documented facts, well then guys they're just stories...

Back to topic. I'm a revolver guy. I've been shooting revolvers since I was a kid back in the late 70's. My EDC is a s&w 642 and yeah, I even carry my police trade 4" model 10 heavy barrel half the time. My carry ammo is mostly remington golden sabre +P's. I am extremely confident either will "get the job done" in a life or death situation although carrying my 4" mod 10 does make me hold my head up just a little bit higher.

Actually, I find the "stories" very valuable, as they are from real officers and real events. I'm confused why you are "extremely confident" in your equipment and ammo. On what "factual data" do you base your confidence?

 

[Doug.38PR]

I AGREE THAT .40 IS NOTHING TO BRAG ABOUT, BUT THE QUESTION IS "BETTER AT WHAT" THE .357 MAG, HAS AN ENVIABLE RECORD OF "ONE SHOT STOPS" AGAINST HUMAN TARGETS, ESP WITH THE 125GR, SJHP, BULLET. THE .45ACP, WITH THE ISSUE RNFMJ BULLET--NOTHING FANCY, HAS PUT AWAY MILLIONS, IN BATTLE, SINCE 1911. IT DID THE TRICK IN VIETNAM....

I WOULD MUCH RATHER FACE A LARGE, ANGRY, 4 LEGGED CARNIVORE, WITH A HEAVY, HARD CAST, SOLID BULLET, OUT OF A .45 COLT, OR A .44 MAGNUM, THAN THE .357 MAGNUM ROUND......

I DELIVERED 4 SOLID HITS, ON A CHARGING 300+LB, BOAR, WITH .357 MAG, 158GR, SJHP, OUT OF AN 8" PYTHON, BEFORE I KILLED IT. GRANTED, THAT WAS NOT THE PROPER AMMO, FOR SUCH A HUNT. IT WAS THE ONLY AMMO, THAT WAS AVAILABLE, ON THE SHELVES, THAT I VISITED. I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THE HEAVY, HARD CAST, .45 COLT, OR .44 MAG BULLETS, WOULD HAVE PLOWED RIGHT THROUGH THE THICK LAYER OF TOUGH GRISTLE, IN THE CHEST OF THE BOAR, THAT PROTECTS ITS VITALS......

SORRY, THAT I DON'T HAVE A PIC OF THE BOAR HANDY. IT STRETCHED ACROSS THE BACK OF A LARGE, 4 WHEEL HONDA, TRAIL MACHINE---AND HUNG OFF, BOTH SIDES......

Good hunting! Great shooting! Nice gun!

Keep in mind: When the .357 Magnum was introduced in 1935, while it was targeted for the police market and largely failed at that time due to the heavy recoil, heavy N frame and cos;, it found a great following among big game hunters as it was the most powerful handgun in the world until 1955 when the .44 Magnum was developed.

I'd feel confident with a .45 Colt (especially loaded with BP), but the .357 Magnum packs a lot more energy and has taken down everything from Deer to Hogs to Moose and even Walrus. That 158-200 gr hardcast bullet will drill through and hit vitals if placed well.

Caliber size isn't insignificant, but it's not everything. The 5.56 NATO or .223 are "just" .22 caliber rifles...but we sure wouldn't say they are "not as good" as the .30 Carbine. The .30-06 Springfield is "only" .30 Caliber but we sure wouldn't say it's "not as good" as the .45-70 Gov't.