RedNeck Jim
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Good thing I'm not good at following instructions. All I shoot is subsonic... and they work perfectly in my 15-22. Wouldn't be much use having a suppressor if you listened to S&W.
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cyphertext
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http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/other/S&W_M&P_1522_Rifle_Manual.pdf
Through our testing, Smith & Wesson has also found that there are several brands and types of .22LR ammunition that do not perform consistently or reliably. Consequently, Smith & Wesson DOES NOT RECOMMEND that the following brands or types of.22LR ammunition be used in your M&P15-22 rifle:
• Remington Golden Bullet • Remington Thunderbolt
• Remington Target 22 • Winchester Wildcat
• Any and all sub-sonic brands and types
Straight from the manual. It does not say "Do not use", it says that S&W does not recommend the ammo due to the ammo not performing consistently or reliably in their testing. This testing occurred prior to S&W to changing the springs to correct OOB firing. These same springs could also cause unreliable feeding. S&W never went back and re-tested or changed the manual afterwards.
JeffDeMello
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They are dirty but fired fine out of my 15-22
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Majorlk is right.
The original owners manual had no such list. It wasn't until it became glaringly obvious the 1522 was suffering an uncommon number of OOBs that the owners manual included non recommended ammo.
My guess is the primer/rim was maybe more sensitive on GB. In any event, the OOB issue was resolved but the owners manual apparently still has the list. IIRC, the list includes all subsonic ammo. That's all I shoot in mine.
The original owners manual had no such list. It wasn't until it became glaringly obvious the 1522 was suffering an uncommon number of OOBs that the owners manual included non recommended ammo.
My guess is the primer/rim was maybe more sensitive on GB. In any event, the OOB issue was resolved but the owners manual apparently still has the list. IIRC, the list includes all subsonic ammo. That's all I shoot in mine.
The GB's have fired fine in my 15-22. I have shot about 2k of them since last July when I purchased my 15-22. I have had one FTF in all those rounds and it went back into another mag and fired 2nd time.
In fact finally had some.nice weather here this part week and I loaded 4 25 round Mag's for the 15-22 and 3 10 round Mag's for my Browning buckmark pistol for some plinking. No issue in either as every round went bang!
In fact finally had some.nice weather here this part week and I loaded 4 25 round Mag's for the 15-22 and 3 10 round Mag's for my Browning buckmark pistol for some plinking. No issue in either as every round went bang!
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Racefan3n88
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Sometimes the only way to know if a certain ammo will function well in your gun is to just try it. Just with the posts in this thread you can see they work well for some and not so much for others. Mine seems to eat pretty much anything including golden bullets although I've never tried subsonic. Every gun is different. If you can just buy 1 brick from your friend to try and go from there?
Now my m&p 22 pistol is a little more finicky. It doesn't like the Federal automatch 40 grain
Now my m&p 22 pistol is a little more finicky. It doesn't like the Federal automatch 40 grain
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Majorlk
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That manual also says not to dry fire as it will damage the rifle. That's pure BS because the firing pin is too short to reach the bolt face, which is the only way the rifle could be damaged. As many of us here can attest, dry firing has absolutely zero effect on anything.
Mine, as well as my two grandsons' rifles have been dry fired hundreds of time (mine a couple of thousand times) with no ill effects.
Manuals are often written to keep the bean counters and lawyers happy.
I love it when "armchair engineers" think they know better than the folks who design them. Did anyone ever think that maybe they make these recommendations to keep people from having a bad experience then blaming them and giving them bad press for not telling them ahead of time? Would you say the same thing about snow blower makers that tell you to use a stick to clear the auger? "I've cleared many a jam without a stick, never had a problem..."
This isn't about not telling you to use specific ammo, it's just that testing has shown that some ammo works and some gives them trouble. The don't RECOMMEND certain ammo, but hey,if you have and it works, go for it. Just don't complain to them if it doesn't.
And lastly, what if the firing pin face isn't where S&W has a problem? What if it has to do with some other surface inside the bolt? Just saying... Let the engineers do their work. If they tell me not to dry fire it, I have to say maybe they know something I don't. At least they told me ahead of time.
ma deuce
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Best I can say for them is that they're better than Thunderbolts, which I will no longer buy or shoot. I have a 500 round pack of Golden I hold as a last resort. I have several hundred Thunderbolts I'm trying to give away.
I dry fire at least once every time I fire mine just cause I want to de-cock it before I put it away or clean it. Wonder what the engineers say about storing it a long time cocked ?
Majorlk
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Not an armchair engineer by any stretch of the imagination. Just a shooter who have been shooting longer than a good percentage of the people on this forum have been alive.
I long ago lost track of how much ammo I have sent downrange in the last 50 years, but it's probably well north of a couple of million rounds. I guess that gives me some expertise on the subject of what's real and what's legal, CYA, verbiage.
I bought 3 525 round boxes of the stuff this weekend. I just got done shooting 100 rounds through my new to me 15-22. Not one issue, every round shot great. I am still sighting in my red dot sight at 25 yards. I have a nice grouping left to right as I adjusted the dot. My elevation was about an inch tall in the left to right grouping. I think a few more clicks and my left to right calibration should be right on and then I can work on my elevation. I would not hesitate shooting all 3 of the 525 round boxes through my rifle.
Rundover
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I use the GB almost exclusively. I can tell you the older stuff was junk, like maybe 1 out of 10 was a dud. I can also tell you that the "New and improved" stuff is much better. Last range visit I ran 700 rounds through her and not a single failure. It is still durty but not as much. You should also understand that I have polished by bolt, the rails it rides on, and even my firing pin. This makes it easier to clean and easier for the gun to function. Not sure if it effect GB reliability but you got to compair apples to apples.
swinokur
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OK, on page 10 it's not listed as a recommended ammo. On page 11 it says not recommended. If you want to say it doesn't say don't do it, ok fine, but if it's not on the list, what's the practical difference.?
11e40
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iv'e been shooting Remington g/b's for years now in several different rifles & have not had any problems. I also shoot the thunderbolts , but only in bolt actions because they are pretty dirty. hth.
All 22LR is dirty
My 15-22 shoots anything
Golden bullets shoot just as good as any other bulk ammo
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