Remington Model 51 restoration project...

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This is obviously not a Smith and Wesson but a Remington Model 51, made in the 20's, there were about 65k of these mfg'd. My friend re-blued and restored the pistol as it was a "basket case" and horribly pitted with less than 20% bluing left. It's a gun that my wife and daughter will shoot, not a "collectible" by any means. I thought you might enjoy seeing the steps in the restoration and the "before and after" pics... Thanks!


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A few more pics

Some "before" and "during" and "after" pics...
 

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I carried one of those as a backup for 20+ years. Small, lightweight, and very dependable. In all the times I shot the .380 I had only a couple mis-fires/jams, both related to ammo. n recent times they have really gone thru the roof in price if in good condition.
 
Thanks! Mine was given to me by a good friend but it was a basket case, way past it's prime and caused me grief at the range due to rusty innards. My friend the gunsmith/restorer really did a great job with it. I won't carry this, it will be for my daughter and wife to shoot. I'll still carry my S&W3913 and Sig P239 as they are more reliable and I won't trust my life to a vintage gun.
 
MODEL 51

I HAVE ONE OF THESE THAT I COULD NOT USE FOR YEARS BECAUSE OF A BROKEN EXTRACTOR, I FINALLY GOT ONE FROM BOB'S GUN PARTS, THEY MAKE NEW ONES, IT IS A INTRICATE LITTLE EXTRACTOR.
NICE JOB ON THE REFINISH JOB.
 
Ronnie,
Thanks, it's a great little gun, but parts can be difficult to find. What would we do without the Internet? I just traded 3 Ortgies pistols to get a Colt 1903 Hammerless since parts are hard to get for the little German Ortgies pistols.
 
Don't get me started

The S&W model 39-2 is my favorite 9mm and the Remington Model 51 is my favorite pocket pistol. I got 'em in both the .32 and .380. They are built like a Swiss watch and extremely comfortable in the hand. I killed a deer with one...but that's a story for another day. Thanks for sharing the restoration project.

Cap
 

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Ronnie,
Thanks, it's a great little gun, but parts can be difficult to find. What would we do without the Internet? I just traded 3 Ortgies pistols to get a Colt 1903 Hammerless since parts are hard to get for the little German Ortgies pistols.

Those little Colt 1903 Pocket Hammerless pistols are nice. I have one dated to 1915 that's pretty tired finish-wise, but in really good shape mechanically.

It gets a little range time every now-n-then.
 
bigmoose and BruceB,
Thanks, those 51's are sure beautiful! I would be afraid to carry them. Mine will get used at the range by my wife and daughter. when my Colt 1903 comes in, I'll send it to the same guy who restored my Remington and he'll work his magic on it. The Colt 1903 is one of his favorite pistols and he's looking forward to working on it.
 
Very nice.............my mod 51 was carried by my grandfather (LEO) and is a joy to shoot. The grip safety leaf spring broke and you have to hold the gun upside down to engage it. Picked up a replacement off the net and will try to replace it my self or find a gun smith who is familiar with these.
 

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If you decide to fix it yourself, let me know and I'll send you the manuals, parts diagrams, etc...You will be able to replace it yourself, it just takes some patience, good eyesight and some dental instruments!
 
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They are the best feeling pistols I've ever held. I wouldn't be afraid to trust my life to one. They are higher quality pistols than one can get their hands on today. I'm glad to hear you all will be using yours. That's what they were made for.
 
Neat, thanks for posting the pictures, I had no idea Remington made a pistol like that.
 
If you decide to fix it yourself, let me know and I'll send you the manuals, parts diagrams, etc...You will be able to replace it yourself, it just takes some patience, good eyesight and some dental instruments!

I will probably do that, thanks. Let me know the cost for copy and mailing
 
Wow!

Greg,

Your Model 51's are gorgeous! I wish I could have left mine "original", but it was horribly pitted and almost all of the bluing was gone and it was starting to rust. The slide had to be replaced, but all of the other parts were salvageable. I wish Wolff Springs made some replacement springs for the gun, but they don't.

I reload .380ACP and I make nice, light loads for this gun and several other pocket pistols. I just traded three Ortgies for a Colt 1903 Hammerless in .32 and I'm waiting for that to come in. It looks really bad with almost all of the bluing gone, so my buddy will "restore" it for me. I love these older guns, they were made like watches with careful attention to detail and craftsmanship.
 
Remington Model 51 on cover of magazine...

Here's a cool magazine cover with a Remington Model 51 at 7:00 position...
 

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I inherited a nice Remington 51 from my uncle a few years back. He bought it new, a .380 ACP, and carried it for 50 years. When I got it the finish was completely gone and the stocks were cracked. I sent it off and had it bead blasted and Parkerized, and had new grips installed.

Famous gun designer John Pederson designed the Remington 51 (he was the inventor of the "Pederson Device" for the Springfield M1903, a very interesting invention if your not familiar with it). I've read he designed the Remington 51 using clay models so that it would be perfectly balanced in the shooters hand thus being a natural pointer, which it certainly is and very pleasant to shoot.
 
Guys, Thanks for the good info!

Here's some additional info about the Remington Model 51...

"The Remington Model 51 was designed by John D. Pedersen prior to the First World War. The first patent application on the gun was filed in 1915. In 1920, seven patents were issued for the weapon. Six went to John Pedersen, and one went to Crawford C. Loomis, both employees of the Remington Arms Company. Between 1921 and 1926, an additional 25 patents were granted for various aspects of the gun's mechanism, most to Pedersen. Many of the patented mechanisms were never utilized in a production gun. One has only to hold the Remington 51 to feel its quality. The first thing you notice is how well the grip fits your hand--the result of extensive testing with hand molds to determine the correct size and shape for the average hand. Similar effort went into calculating the correct grip angle to allow the gun to point naturally. Very few guns feel so much like an extension of the hand as does the Remington 51. W.H. B. Smith says: "With the sole exception of the Luger, and the new German Walther P38, the Walther PPK, Sauer-38 and Mauser HSc (all foreign developments) this Remington 51 is probably the best-balanced, most-instinctive-pointing pistol ever made." Some of the Remington advertising actually described the pistol as "self aiming." R.K. Wilson says the Remington 51 is "...in the opinion of many authorities, the best pocket self-loading pistol ever designed..."

The gun has three safeties: a thumb-operated safety, a grip safety, and a magazine safety. The grip safety locks the disconnector, locks the sear in the hammer notch, locks the slide, and serves two additional functions. Since the grip safety does not pop out unless the gun is cocked, it acts as a cocked weapon indicator. It also serves as a lock open device for the slide (if released when the slide is retracted). Squeezing the grip safety with the slide locked open will cause the slide to close and, if a full magazine has been previously inserted, a round will be chambered. The thumb safety cannot be engaged unless the hammer is cocked, and when in the safe position it locks the grip safety so it cannot be disengaged. Interestingly enough, the thumb safety does not appear on the original patent drawings, though it did appear on the known prototypes. Remington advertised that the gun could be carried safely with only the grip safety in operation, but the thumb safety could be utilized by those who preferred a more positive lock. The Model 51 also has a magazine safety which prevents it from being fired when the magazine is not inserted. The magazine safety did not appear on the prototypes.

The unique mechanism of the Remington 51 is rather difficult to describe in words. It has been labeled as a "momentum block" system and as a "blowback/recoil" system, in an effort to differentiate it from a simple blowback action, a delayed blowback action, or a standard locked recoil action. R.K. Wilson considered it a type of delayed blowback mechanism, and that seems reasonable to me, though others certainly disagree. The gun consists of the usual receiver and slide components, but the breech block is in two parts. Only the rear part of the breech block, against which the rear of the firing pin rests, is an integral portion of the slide. The other half of the breech block is independent of both slide and receiver, and contains the firing pin, firing pin spring, and the extractor. When recoil begins, the slide moves toward the rear. The moveable portion of the breach block moves to the rear with the slide approximately 0.083 inches, and stops, remaining locked to the receiver. Hence, with the shell not yet ejected, the breech is effectively sealed until the bullet exits the barrel and breech pressure drops to a safe level. The slide continues its rearward motion for a further 0.2 inches, whereupon the moveable portion of the breech block is lifted out of engagement with the receiver and effectively becomes part of the slide for the rest of its travel. The cartridge is ejected in the usual manner; a new round is stripped from the magazine and chambered by the returning slide. An advantage of Pedersen's moveable breech block design is that it allows for a lighter slide than a straight blowback operated pistol, and hence an overall lighter weapon.

Remington introduced the Model 51 for the civilian market, producing only 25 in 1918 but ramping up to full production in 1919. Production declined steadily in succeeding years, and ended in 1927. Approximately 54,518 Model 51s were made. The .380 was designated the "Series of 1918."

In late 1943 Major General Kenyon A. Joyce visited Patton at his headquarters in Sicily. He saw that Patton was wearing a revolver and suggested he should have an automatic pistol. Joyce tried to get his brother-in-law to obtain a Remington 51 and send it to him to give to Patton, but apparently the brother-in-law was unable to locate one. So when Joyce returned to the U.S. he contacted Roy C. Swan of Remington to see if he could obtain one. Swan located a used one in Denver and had it refurbished at the Remington Factory. The gun was engraved "To George Patton / From his shooting partner of many years / Kenyon Joyce." Patton had the standard grips replaced with wooden ones with three ivory stars inset. There are a number of photographs of him wearing the Remington: the three stars stand out clearly in old black and white photographs. When he was promoted in 1945 Patton had new four-star grips made. This is the gun he wore for the rest of the war, as well as after he returned to the States.

W.H.B. Smith states that the Model 51's "... manufacture was discontinued, because the introduction of firearms laws made manufacture economically unsound." He is referring to the National Firearms act of 1934, which forced pistol and machine gun manufacturers to register and pay a tax on all sales. But economic factors were involved as well. Sales of the Model 51 were never robust and production ended in 1927. After the market crash of 1929, hardly anyone in the U.S. could afford to buy guns. Revolvers were still considered the only reliable handguns by most shooters, and in the U.S. only Colt continued to manufacture automatics after 1929. By 1932 Remington was losing as much as one million dollars per year, and in 1933 E.I. du Pont de Nemours & Company purchased a controlling interest in Remington and proceeded to reorganize the company. Perhaps this reorganization resulted in the elimination of the unprofitable pistol line. At the end of 1934 Remington posted a modest profit of $142,589. By 1936 the company stock was paying dividends again. But Remington did not manufacture another handgun until 1963 (the XP-100 single-shot). The Model 51 has never been revived.

The "momentum block" mechanism of the Model 51 reduces felt recoil and helps make the gun easier to shoot, more accurate, and lighter. A quick look at the drawing of the moveable breech block on the Model 51 will give an idea of the complex machining required to manufacture it and the slide with which it mates. Built like a watch. These guns were known to function flawlessly."
 
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