Remington Model 81

Most hunters didn't need or use the stripper clips (properly called chargers), but maybe the law enforcement guys did. There were a variety of clip designs made for these rifles at different times, but all the original Remington-marked clips are scarce and bring fairly high prices. Those for the .35 and .300 are different from those for the other three calibers. One of the problems in using GI clips is that you need lugs on the sides of the clips to keep them from going into the well too far. Those can be added by brazing. If you know the trick, the rifles can be reloaded fairly rapidly without a clip, in just a few seconds. There were several types of aftermarket box magazines made for these, allowing a greater magazine capacity than the standard 4 or 5 rounds. But the existing fixed magazines needed to be modified for their use. If you can find one, they are quite pricey. It's one of those designs where you wonder why Remington didn't fit them with removable box magazines to begin with, such as the later Remington 740, 742, and 7400 semiautomatic rifles.
 
Thanks for all the responses guys. I'm surprised that there was this much interest in these old rifles. I have some more information that I got at a gun show this weekend.

I did not take the rifle to the show to sell. I probably should have. I saw two other Model 81's at the show, both in 300 Savage. Both were in pretty good condition and had the original finish. One had a side mounted scope on it along with the factory open sights. They were asking $950 for it! The other had only the original sights and this guy wanted $850 for it. These are asking prices and I didn't discuss price with either dealer.

My rifle has what appears to be a Lyman Model 21 side-mounted peep sight on it. Apparently these are in some demand. There is a vendor that has a booth at these shows ( Dulles Expo Center), who specializes in old rifle sights. I discussed the sight on my rifle with him, and I would do much better to sell my old sight separately and buy a standard replacement sight for my rifle. I will probably do this.

Again, thanks for all the input. It has been very helpful. I now know much more about this rifle than I did before. I'm going to look at the site suggested by D Walt. Maybe I can learn more.

LT
 
The Lyman 21 sight, if original, is quite desirable. I have not seen one on a Model 8 or 81, but no reason why it wouldn't work. Many of the old Winchester Model 1895 rifles were fitted with the Lyman 21. Early FBI Model 81 rifles used a somewhat similar Lyman peep sight, the Model 41. The peep sight most often seen on the 8/81 is a much smaller Marble R6 peep sight which attaches with a single screw at the rear of the receiver. One of those in good condition is also quite desirable. Prices approach $200-$250 today, just for that sight. I once bought a Model 81 with a Marble R6 sight, mainly to get that sight.

I would NOT sell the Lyman 21, even though you could probably make some money on it. The mounting holes on your rifle will substantially de-value it without the corresponding sight being in place. A sure value killer on any Model 8/81 is having lots of threaded sight screw holes in the receiver, especially scope mount holes.
 
The Lyman 21 sight, if original, is quite desirable. I have not seen one on a Model 8 or 81, but no reason why it wouldn't work. Many of the old Winchester Model 1895 rifles were fitted with the Lyman 21. Early FBI Model 81 rifles used a somewhat similar Lyman peep sight, the Model 41. The peep sight most often seen on the 8/81 is a much smaller Marble R6 peep sight which attaches with a single screw at the rear of the receiver. One of those in good condition is also quite desirable. Prices approach $200-$250 today, just for that sight. I once bought a Model 81 with a Marble R6 sight, mainly to get that sight.

I would NOT sell the Lyman 21, even though you could probably make some money on it. The mounting holes on your rifle will substantially de-value it without the corresponding sight being in place. A sure value killer on any Model 8/81 is having lots of threaded sight screw holes in the receiver, especially scope mount holes.
Two years ago i found a reblued/refinished wood Model 81 in .300 Savage with a one screw tang sight on it like you mention. The gun was blued over some rust spots. It looked like the price was scribbled "$50". I asked what the the first digit was since it was missing. Store owner said, 'No, the rifle is $50". So I bought it, sold the sight to a forum member for around a hundred, then sold the rifle for $300. I didn't shoot the gun but everything seemed to function. Why it was priced so low is beyond me. If I didn't already own a .300 Model 81, I'd have kept it, of course.
 
Wyatt Burp: I like that cartridge belt almost as much as I like the rifle.
Years ago I asked about here wondering where that style of military cartridge belt was used and I don't think anyone gave a definitive answer. what do you think? It's actually packed with old military .30-06 ammo.
 
There were several different types of cartridge pouch belts used from before WWI through WWII. And often there were differences between cavalry and infantry belts. Many had ink maker's stamps on them. The M1910 is most common, but yours does not look like a M1910.
 
You know that the new .30 Rem is the basis for Remington's new cartridge used in their AR platform rifle. Perhaps cases could be formed from them. I'd check that out.
 
I still believe Hamer used a Remington No. 8 in 35 Remington.

Believe if you wish, but he didn't. See: The Great Model 8 & 81 » Frank Hamer

There is a group of B&C ambush re-enactors in northern LA who have followed all sorts of leads about who used what guns. And they have concluded Hamer indeed used a shotgun, and that's how they stage their re-enactments. It is entirely possible that Hamer had a Model 8 in .30 Rem, which was actually used by one of the other participants in the ambush, but not by Hamer himself. See below:

Following is taken from another forum, which I mentioned earlier. Just another viewpoint, veracity undetermined:
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"Allow me to weigh in on the ambush guns.

I belong to a group called Public Enemies of 1934, which is an historical/theatrical group that stages reenactments of 1930s "incidents" involving the likes of Dillinger, Floyd and Bonnie and Clyde.

For the past few years, I have had the privilege and honor to portray Frank Hamer at the annual Bonnie and Clyde Festival in Gibsland, Louisiana, which concludes with a reenactment of the "capture" at the actual ambush site south of town. That is where my avatar picture was taken.

While the organizers of the festival want a show that sort of combines fact, legend and the movies as far as what weapons are presented, we have done considerable research into what was actually used on May 23, 1934.

While the members of the posse surely possessed a variety of firearms, I believe they actually used the following:

Frank Hamer - Remington Model 11 riot gun

Manny Gault - Remington Model 11 riot gun

Bob Alcorn - Remington Model 8

Ted Hinton - BAR

Henderson Jordan - Remington Model 11 with long barrel and

Prentiss Oakley - Remington Model 8

My conclusions are based on the following:

Dallas County Deputies Bob Alcorn and Ted Hinton were featured in a newsreel filmed the day after the ambush, reprising their roles. In that film, Hinton used a military BAR (not a Monitor) and Alcorn used a Remington Model 8, a standard one with a straight gripped stock. Since it was filmed the following day, it is logical that they used the same long arms they had used the previous morning.

Bienville Parish Deputy Prentiss Oakley had borrowed two guns from the town Dentist in Arcadia, Dr. Sheehy, for him and Bienville Parish Sheriff Henderson Jordan to use. Both were guns he had borrowed before to go hunting. One was a .35 caliber Remington Model 8, serial number 48990, a deluxe model with a semi-pistol grip stock. The other gun was either a shotgun or a lever-action Winchester, but we believe it was a shotgun, as we will see below.

There are numerous photos of the long guns recovered from the car after the ambush, those being BARs and sawed-off shotguns, with said weapons leaning against the back of the car, but there is one photo that shows five long arms on the roof of the bandits' car, and they do not match the descriptions of the weapons the Bonnie and Clyde were carrying.

The five guns on the roof are a BAR, a Remington Model 8 (the stock is not visible in the angle of the photo) and three semi-automatic shotguns which appear to be Remington Model 11s. Two of them have riot-length barrels and one is a long-barreled hunting type shotgun.

When considered together, the conclusion is the guns on the roof are Hinton's BAR, either Alcorn's or Oakley's Remington Model 8, and three shotguns used by the remainder of the posse. Since both Hamer and his partner were lawmen, it is logical that the two riot-length shotguns were theirs, leaving a long-barreled hunting Model 11 for Sheriff Jordan, presumably the second gun borrowed from Dr. Sheehy.

As far as Alcorn's BAR and any others, I believe the posse was only planning to stay out until 0900 and were in the process of picking up when the bandits appeared at 0915, and those guns had already been put away. "


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In addition, there was also a statement made to the news media by Louisiana Sheriff Henderson Jordan after the ambush, commenting to the effect that Hamer used "an automatic shotgun" in the ambush, which is considered authoritative.

A few years ago, there was a two-part TV show on The History Channel re-telling the saga of Bonnie and Clyde (BTW, it sucked). The production staff consulted with the real history experts on the ambush regarding the guns used - and then they promptly ignored everything they were told. No big surprise. The original "Bonnie and Clyde" movie with Warren Beatty and Fay Dunaway from, I think, the late 1960s or thereabouts, did no better in portraying the correct guns.
 
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