Remington: The Good Stuff

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The news about Remington’s financial woes has produced the usual discussions in gun forums about what went wrong, with people discussing when their products supposedly turned to junk and “if they just had done X” and so on.

This isn’t about that at all. Remington in various corporate forms has, I believe, been the longest continuously operating gun maker in America since E. Remington and Sons set up shop in Ilion, New York, in 1816. That makes them an important part of American history.

They introduced a lot of almost legendary guns over the centuries. The only modern shotgun I ever owned was a magnum-receiver Model 870 I bought decades ago at a Bi-Mart or K-Mart (exact memory fails) for 199 bucks. Over time, I added an 18-inch police barrel and a 20-inch deer barrel with sights, and that served all my life’s shotgunning needs.

What I’ve got left in my collection now is a Remington 51 in .380. By the time John Pedersen’s gun hit the market in the later 19-teens, the competition from Colt and Savage was well-established and less expensive, so it didn’t do that well.

But in terms of the grip and handling, it’s my favorite among the early-20th-century pocket pistols. The Remington 51 is also notable in that it is the only pistol of the time where the .380 came before the .32 and vastly outsold the latter. On the other brands, the Colt 1903/1908 Pocket Hammerless and the Savage 1907/1915/1917 series, the .32 outsold the .380 by a factor of 4 or more.

These guns nowadays tend to be in bad shape or expensive safe queens with box and stuff. It took me a while a few years ago to find this one, with minor cosmetic issues and some corrosive splots, for around 300.

Remington has never done history letters, but extrapolating from the serial and some research in various sources appears to place production of this gun in mid-1920.

Feel free to add any older or newer Remingtons you have.
 

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"IF THEY HAD JUST DONE X"

I was a late bloomer to guns at 18 Y/O. One of the first grail guns for me was a Remington 40X, preferably in 222 or 223. With luck & a bit of "dirty pool" I got an unfired 40X single shot in 223 Not the heavy bull bbl & benchrest stock, but a med contour bbl & sporter stocked 1977ish unfired with a leupold fixed 24x scope for 1,000$ maybe 5 years ago. (app 40 years later) Maybe catching a seller that liked to gamble, walking out his door on the way to Vegas, & I just happened to have 10 crisp Benjamins helped. :rolleyes:
 
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With no exception that comes to mind, ALL the American Gun Company's are not much more than a shadow of their former selves. NONE of them produce the quality, variations, customized choices, customer service, or pride of yesteryear. OK - MAYBE Ruger is the one exception, but only MAYBE.

Any of us that have vintage guns should cherish them as they will NEVER be made that way ever again! Again, with the exception of maybe Ruger, the American gun Company's have been mismanaged, misguided, forced into producing undesirable products and bought by conglomerates that either no little to nothing about the business or only care about the profits.

I HATE to be so negative about the future of our hobby, but in the long run (just being realistic) I see NO shinning future. :( If you have vintage Remington's, Winchester's, Browning's, Colt's, High Standard's, Smiths, Marlin's, etc. shoot them, care for them and enjoy them as long as you can!
 
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Mine aren't exactly vintage but my Remingtons from the early 80s have proven themselves for accuracy and dependability. Sure wish it could have continued.
 
I own three Remington’s. An 870 Wingmaster 20 ga. I received from my parents for Christmas in 1972. A nice 1903A3 that I acquired a while back to scratch my WW2 fix. And a 20 ga. Tac -14 that I purchased recently that resides under my bed.
Really hope they can get their act together and survive. But I fear their bread and butter shotgun days are over.
 
The news about Remington’s financial woes has produced the usual discussions in gun forums about what went wrong, with people discussing when their products supposedly turned to junk and “if they just had done X” and so on.

This isn’t about that at all. Remington in various corporate forms has, I believe, been the longest continuously operating gun maker in America since E. Remington and Sons set up shop in Ilion, New York, in 1816. That makes them an important part of American history.

They introduced a lot of almost legendary guns over the centuries. The only modern shotgun I ever owned was a magnum-receiver Model 870 I bought decades ago at a Bi-Mart or K-Mart (exact memory fails) for 199 bucks. Over time, I added an 18-inch police barrel and a 20-inch deer barrel with sights, and that served all my life’s shotgunning needs.

What I’ve got left in my collection now is a Remington 51 in .380. By the time John Pedersen’s gun hit the market in the later 19-teens, the competition from Colt and Savage was well-established and less expensive, so it didn’t do that well.

But in terms of the grip and handling, it’s my favorite among the early-20th-century pocket pistols. The Remington 51 is also notable in that it is the only pistol of the time where the .380 came before the .32 and vastly outsold the latter. On the other brands, the Colt 1903/1908 Pocket Hammerless and the Savage 1907/1915/1917 series, the .32 outsold the .380 by a factor of 4 or more.

These guns nowadays tend to be in bad shape or expensive safe queens with box and stuff. It took me a while a few years ago to find this one, with minor cosmetic issues and some corrosive splots, for around 300.

Remington has never done history letters, but extrapolating from the serial and some research in various sources appears to place production of this gun in mid-1920.

Feel free to add any older or newer Remingtons you have.

I share your enthusiasm for Remington Model 51s and currently have two. One is a safe queen in it's original box and in excellent condition. The other one is nice but I do use it as a shooter. I continue to be amazed at the quality and workmanship that went into these pistols and I expect if it were revived the cost for one would be over $1,000. I have been told that due to the fact that they are very reliable their slimness made them an early favorite by the police as a backup pistol.
If this pistol had been introduced earlier and initially in 32 acp; I expect it would have sold as well as the comparable Colt Model 1903.
Jim
 
I also have had many Remington's, 870's, an 1100, 760, 7600's, a couple of 742's, a few bolt and pump .22's.

I have only kept all of the .22's and my 51. I would never part with these.

I don't buy new Remington's, but I hate to see them with the financial issues they are having.

Jim
 

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With no exception that comes to mind, ALL the American Gun Company's are not much more than a shadow of their former selves. NONE of them produce the quality, variations, customized choices, customer service, or pride of yesteryear. OK - MAYBE Ruger is the one exception, but only MAYBE.

Any of us that have vintage guns should cherish them as they will NEVER be made that way ever again! Again, with the exception of maybe Ruger, the American gun Company's have been mismanaged, misguided, forced into producing undesirable products and bought by conglomerates that either no little to nothing about the business or only care about the profits.

I HATE to be so negative about the future of our hobby, but in the long run (just being realistic) I see NO shinning future. :( If you have vintage Remington's, Winchester's, Browning's, Colt's, High Standard's, Smiths, Marlin's, etc. shoot them, care for them and enjoy them as long as you can!

I agree.
20 or 30 years from now those wonderful collections of Pre-1964 Winchester bolt-action rifles, Model 12 shotguns, classic Weatherby and Mauser rifles will only bring pennies on the dollar of their current values. It will be even worse for guns from the black powder era, with the POSSIBLE exception of Colt SA Armies. Wealthy Arabs, Russians, and Chinese Communist Party Officials may be the ones buying those up, at reduced prices.
Most younger shooters want adjustable plastic stocks, rapid fire, quick-change components and accessories, and have little knowledge or appreciation for good quality hand fitted guns required years of experience to learn how to fit them up right.

Loss of hunting habitat and land suitable for recreational shooting
are more and more of a problem every year, not to mention the nasty politics involved. These make it easier for prospective shooters to opt out entirely and choose something less controversial to do in tjeir spare time like golf and video games.
 
I am such a Remington fan, my grandson is named Remington.

My two favorites are my 1959 878 Automaster and my 1933 Model 11.

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For the longest time it was Remington or Smith & Wesson. I have a 760, and 870,ma 721, a 541, a 51, a 1903 A3, and an R-1. I even took my 760 to Africa for plains game
 
Among the Remingtons I've aquired were two Speedmasters. One smooth stock and one BDL.
One from my father another from my grandfather.
I gave one to each of my two sons when each was around 16 years old and knew how to handle firearms.
It was a great pleasure to do so.

Many years ago I bought my wife a Nylon 22. She loved that rifle. A burglar made off with that one.

My only remaining Remington is an 870 Magnum riot gun.
 
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I have 3 Remingtons an 870 12 gauge and 2 Mohawk 600 rifles which at one time were an economy rifle built on a short model 700 action. Both are sweet shooting little 18" barreled rifles, on in 308 and the other in 6mm. The Mohawks now command prices from about $600 up. I would kind of like to find one of the ones in 350 Remington mag.
 
The only Remington I ever owned was an 1100 20 gauge I bought for my ex.

It was disposed of not long after her.

My brother somehow ended up with our GFs Model 11.

I think Remington’s guns, at least some, will survive the bankruptcy.
 
Any early Remington is one I would have, but when they moved and began to acquire other brands-Marlin-Para- etc.-the quality went down hill. It is unfortunate to loose a great company that has been an American standard for so long, but guns are not something you can cheapen and stick a name on, and hope to get away with it for long. I had a Nylon 66 as a kid, and a Marlin 1895 CB, and own a Para Super Hawg, all fine guns, all made before...Sad. Gun companies need to be run by gun people, who have integrity as a goal-not just profit by itself. Just grabbing the money is not a formula for success. JMHO
 
When I was an ardent trapshooter for over 35 years I went through a huge number of shotguns trying to find the perfect one that would give me a high average. Some of my favorite Remingtons were the Model 32 o/u which wound up being the Krieghoff Model 32 which graduated into the K-80 being in my opinion the lightest recoiling o/u shotguns of all. I also had two Rem 3200's as well as several 1100's. For all around I found the 1100's to be the most versatile and shooter friendly of all. They also had great balance and very mild kick for those 500 round days. I had three 870's and consider them the most rugged pumps ever made. I also had my share of Remington rifles which were also great. On the overall my experience with Remington products was very satisfactory.
 
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