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Anyone know if S&W is developing a new line to replace the M&P? The M&P line is approaching 12 years old. I was curious if anyone heard any credible or non-credible info about any new line?
Replacement for M&P line?
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Rastoff
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Seriously? Why would they do that?
I mean, I'm sure S&W has some plans for a new gun, but they're not going to stop the M&P. The Shield is probably the best selling handgun on the market. They just introduced the .45 Shield. What makes you think they need to replace the M&P line?
The Glock is 35 years old, they should probably make different gun too. What about the 1911? It's over 100 years old. That should probably never be made again it's so old.
I mean, I'm sure S&W has some plans for a new gun, but they're not going to stop the M&P. The Shield is probably the best selling handgun on the market. They just introduced the .45 Shield. What makes you think they need to replace the M&P line?
The Glock is 35 years old, they should probably make different gun too. What about the 1911? It's over 100 years old. That should probably never be made again it's so old.
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OP
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Something with a better trigger and barrel would be great. I like the looks and feel of the M&P 9. I just wish they upgraded those two things. It sucks after you buy a new gun, you have to drop money on trigger parts and are risking a defective barrel. With all of the striker guns on the market now, you would think S&W would up their game.
DD357
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I'd like to see the gen 3's come back - as long as their QC is good!
Ross3914
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Smith & Wesson, in partnership with General Dynamics, has entered the M&P into the Army's competition for the replacement for the M9. That move makes the odds pretty high that there's no M&P replacement on the horizon.
We could possibly see upgrades in the current line, incorporating features for the Army's competition. Several of the XM9 competitors incorporated improvements they made in the trials into their production.
Given the cost of such things, and the handgun trials, I don't think the M&P is getting replaced any time soon.
We could possibly see upgrades in the current line, incorporating features for the Army's competition. Several of the XM9 competitors incorporated improvements they made in the trials into their production.
Given the cost of such things, and the handgun trials, I don't think the M&P is getting replaced any time soon.
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Rastoff
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First, there's nothing wrong with the barrel. Second, S&W makes thousands of guns with better triggers already. All you have to do is pay more.
It cracks me up. People buy a cheap gun and then complain the trigger isn't perfect. Yes, there are less expensive guns, but the M&P line is the best quality gun at that price.
If you add an Apex upgrade, the average price of an M&P comes to about $600-$650. That's an amazing price for a very good gun.
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The Sig P320, HK VP9, Walther PPQ, Glock, and even Ruger SR9 all have better triggers and cost $550 or less. I haven't shot a Ruger American Pistol yet, but I hear the triggers on them aren't bad either. I had a 2012 M&P 9 full sized with apex trigger kit installed. Right off the bat I had to buy the Apex competition trigger kit to improve the trigger pull. The accuracy on it wasn't what I expected it to be, and other shooters (estimated 5) who tried it agreed. I sold it. All of the other compact (Ruger SR9C) and duty sized (Glock 19 and bigger) pistols I have shot were more accurate. My M&P 9 Shield is more accurate than my M&P 9 full size was.
I love my Shield. I really like Smith and Wesson and its history. I feel like S&W can do better instead of accepting mediocrity. I want them to improve and take over the market, including a lot of Glock's business.
My fist experience with m&p pistols was the shield it is an awesome pistol, I've been lurking around the m&p for a while, had plenty of glock pistols and SA before pretty much tried all of them still have some left that will be replaced for M&P, just this month I bought three of them a 45c, 9c and the pro model. I'm learning how to shoot them, but so far I'm impressed with m&p pistols they handle great, and IMO they are very accurate.
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MichiganScott
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The number of people that complain about the M&P trigger and accuracy continues to amaze me.
First off, it's a striker fired combat weapon. It's not a match tuned 1911. The trigger will never be as good. You choose to drop additional money on parts to improve the trigger. I shot a DA revolver for over 40 years and have no complaints with the trigger as issued.
As far as accuracy is concerned, again, it's a combat gun. If I want tiny groups, I'll shoot my tuned 1911.
Are there any more details released about the next generation M&P submitted? According to Wikipedia, S&W only submitted a pistol in 40S&W, not both 40 and 9mm like most other entrants.
dpsk
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I wish S&W would incorporate the more aggressive grip feature from the new Shield .45 into all of the M&P line.
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I don't understand what's wrong with trying to make things better. Isn't part of being American trying to be the best you can be? I'm not someone who half ***es stuff. No matter what I do, I always try to improve upon it over time.
Just because you're content with the double action pull of a revolver doesn't mean from now on, gun companies shouldn't build better products.
It's funny how you mention the M&P is a combat pistol and if you want great accuracy to get a 1911. The last time I checked, the 1911 was created to be a combat pistol and has seen lots of combat in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and still is used in combat by various units today.
I'm not trying to bash S&W. Again, I just think they can do a lot better and don't want to see them settle at just being "okay". The Shield 45's new grip is a step in the right direction. S&W has also upgraded their triggers and barrels since the launch of M&P series in 2005. All I am saying is instead of running the ball several times for 2 yard gains, why doesn't S&W pass the ball and go for the touchdown? I see a lot of potential, but it just makes me mad when it gets wasted.
What's to upgrade?
I love my 9c and the trigger. It might be different but once you get used to it it shoots great.
As far as the barrel goes, dunno anything. It works.
I wouldn't install an Apex trigger or an aftermarket barrel if you gave them to me.
I did have to re-paint the front sight. Pain but no biggie.
I love my 9c and the trigger. It might be different but once you get used to it it shoots great.
As far as the barrel goes, dunno anything. It works.
I wouldn't install an Apex trigger or an aftermarket barrel if you gave them to me.
I did have to re-paint the front sight. Pain but no biggie.
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agksimon
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Take a couple M&P 9's and a couple Walther PPQ's and try the trigger and you will see a big difference. Next, get some 147 grain FMJ flat point American Eagle ammo and do a 25 yard bench rest group test. Both guns are about the same price. I did just this and was amazed at how much better the trigger is and smaller the group sizes are with the PPQ. The grip is also a much better fit.
RGVshooter
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I too am amazed at the comments regarding the M&P's trigger or not being a accurate pistol.... Perhaps some of you guys need to practice more at the range? To date I have over 7455 rounds thru my M&P shield 9 without a single hiccup, I even used it in IDPA matches all of last year. needless to say the pistol has smoothed out considerable with not much wear showing. The finish has been holding up very well. Ditto for my Shield 40 & M&P9 f/s..
Why so many rounds you say? It's easy, I practice with what i carry...
Why so many rounds you say? It's easy, I practice with what i carry...
Whitwabit
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If anything Smith and Wesson is expanding the line new ported models and now the Shield in 45 just coming out ..
would like to see them expand their accessory line also maybe some flat triggers and other goodies would be welcomed ..
Sig has gone to a new line called the Legion .. maybe S&W would have something like that in the works ?? Take one of their existing pistols and do a complete work over .. custom trigger, custom finish, better sights, short reset trigger .. just some of the things that could be done and am sure that there are others ..
Bring back some of the older metal models as " Specials " !! I know I would be interested in a new Special 4506 !!
would like to see them expand their accessory line also maybe some flat triggers and other goodies would be welcomed ..
Sig has gone to a new line called the Legion .. maybe S&W would have something like that in the works ?? Take one of their existing pistols and do a complete work over .. custom trigger, custom finish, better sights, short reset trigger .. just some of the things that could be done and am sure that there are others ..
Bring back some of the older metal models as " Specials " !! I know I would be interested in a new Special 4506 !!
