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Two important points:
The mayor doesn't live on that street and that street is not "on the way" to the mayor's house.
That gate (Kingshighway) is typically chain locked as well as the gates on the other side (Union Blvd) of Portland Place. The only access (entry and exit) to those two private streets is off Lindell. Just walking onto and out of those streets ain't a thing.

It was reported that the other entries to the neighborhood were blocked by police at the time. To get to the mayor's house, from where the march started, that was the only way to go.

Here's a photo essay of the whole march and protest, clearly showing them at the Mayor's house after passing the McCloskeys'.

Protesters in St. Louis Demand Mayor Resign, Have Guns Pointed at Them [PHOTOS]
 
It was reported that the other entries to the neighborhood were blocked by police at the time. To get to the mayor's house, from where the march started, that was the only way to go.

Here's a photo essay of the whole march and protest, clearly showing them at the Mayor's house after passing the McCloskeys'.

Protesters in St. Louis Demand Mayor Resign, Have Guns Pointed at Them [PHOTOS]

The first words in the attached story are "nonviolent protest"
It made me feel all happy and warm to hear that. I didn't even have to read further.

Thanks Riverfront Times.
 
The first words in the attached story are "nonviolent protest"
It made me feel all happy and warm to hear that. I didn't even have to read further.

Thanks Riverfront Times.

I know nothing about the Riverfront Times. Are you questioning the veracity of the photos?
 
I know nothing about the Riverfront Times. Are you questioning the veracity of the photos?

I know nothing about them either but I can guess that they're biased by the way they start the article. Anyone can arange pictures and make a story, why do you think these "protesters" like to take videos/photos with their cells? Later on supply the best images to fit their narrative. Just delete what don't fit.

Why am I explaining this?
 
The first words in the attached story are "nonviolent protest"
It made me feel all happy and warm to hear that. I didn't even have to read further.

Thanks Riverfront Times.

Ok, here's the rest of the story that you may
never see anywhere but here: Most of the
homes in the neighborhood were looted or
burned but only the residence of the couple
with guns was saved. And the mayor quit
and now has a job at a Walmart in Fargo,
N.D.
 
Ok, here's the rest of the story that you may
never see anywhere but here: Most of the
homes in the neighborhood were looted or
burned but only the residence of the couple
with guns was saved. And the mayor quit
and now has a job at a Walmart in Fargo,
N.D.

Pictures or it might've happened. ;)
 
That they entered the neighborhood by tearing down the gates is an outright lie. I have debunked it upthread, with video.

That video shows no such thing. The only picture of the gate is from a low resolution cell phone video from one of the first through the gate. It could have been broken any time after that.

Toward the end there was a an obviously spliced in photo of the closed gate from an unknown source, but who knows when that photo was taken and by whom.

It is ludicrous to base a conclusion that McCloskeys armed themselves before or after the gate was broken on a video produced and edited by the protesters themselves. I'm not a lawyer, but I have never heard of any court accepting such unauthenticated evidence.

Also, the protesters DID commit at minimum trespass. Was it felonious? That is for the investigators to decide. Breaking and entering does not require any breaking. An uninvited person who enters your house through your unlocked screen door is still guilty of breaking and entering.
 
That video shows no such thing. The only picture of the gate is from a low resolution cell phone video from one of the first through the gate. It could have been broken any time after that.

Right, that's the point I'm making. The gate was still intact as the first group of protesters went through. The couple (at least the guy) was already armed at that point, as can clearly be seen in the video *before* the cut (still at 0:48 - holding rifle).

Anyway, I don't see a point in continuing this conversation. Those who want to push a specific agenda generally don't let facts stand in their way.
 
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Right, that's the point I'm making. The gate was still intact as the first group of protesters went through. The couple (at least the guy) was already armed at that point, as can clearly be seen in the video *before* the cut (still at 0:48 - holding rifle).

Anyway, I don't see a point in continuing this conversation. Those who want to push a specific agenda generally don't let facts stand in their way.

You are asserting that McCloskey KNEW that the protesters DID NOT break the gate when he fetched his rifle.

So questions that need answers:

Could he see the condition of the gate from his house? Its hard to tell, but the house doesn't appear to be entirely visible from the gate, which implies that the gate might not be visible from the house.

Was the gate closed?
Was the gate locked?
Was the gate simply opened, or was a lock broken?
When was the gate broken?

The video starts after the protesters had already trespassed. It doesn't answer any of those questions, and isn't credible evidence anyway.

But the protesters WERE trespassing on private property.

But speaking of pushing agendas,

While the protesters were trespassing on a private street, it was clear they were marching directly down the street and sidewalk to the mayor's house, while yelling chants demanding the mayor resign. I would argue that no reasonable person would be in fear for their life in that situation.

You have deemed only yourself as being qualified to define a 'reasonable person'
You have anointed yourself as the adjudicator of all fact.
You base your facts on unauthenticated evidence.
You characterize those who disagrees with your 'facts' are either liars or stupid.
 
Shades of the virus threads where folks who disagreed with the pack were ridiculed and insulted just barely within the rules.

Galt is the one making (false) insinuations about me and mischaracterizing my argument, while using terms with specific legal meaning incorrectly. Anyway.

Note that I've been extremely clear that I take no position on whether the couple broke the law with their actions. I have read/heard attorneys in MO make arguments both ways. I don't know enough about the specifics of how MO's castle doctrine laws are applied in practice, through case law, to make a more specific claim about that particular issue. I have only spoken of general trends in American law on matters of proportionality.

That said, some here have defended the couple on false grounds - specifically, that their taking up arms was a direct result of witnessing the property damage occur. For that to be possible, the property damage must necessarily have occurred prior to their taking up arms. As the video I posted clearly and unequivocally shows - despite the low resolution - at least one of them took up arms prior to the property damage occurring. Thus, the property damage could not have been the reason they took up arms.

In the abstract, if ones argues that event A caused event B, and it is shown conclusively that event B preceded event A, then the originally argument is logically fallacious and must be abandoned. And yet, here we are.
 
I have to agree with your statement.

Can anyone say "Doofus"?


Personally, if there is going to be some shooting, I'll prefer cover or concealment. I'd have been inside looking out a dark window. When you found out I was there, you wouldn't know it for very long. ;)

How would you explain how you thought your life was in danger?
 
It was reported that the other entries to the neighborhood were blocked by police at the time. To get to the mayor's house, from where the march started, that was the only way to go.

Here's a photo essay of the whole march and protest, clearly showing them at the Mayor's house after passing the McCloskeys'.

Protesters in St. Louis Demand Mayor Resign, Have Guns Pointed at Them [PHOTOS]
Weird, you're way more familiar with the CWE than me. Please elaborate how entering the locked gates on Portland Place is the only way to get to Lake and Washington (the mayor's address). I guess going through one locked gate onto private property then turning north to go through another locked gate is way easier than using Waterman, Westminster, Washington or either of the two access roads none of which have any gates whatsoever to restrict pedestrian traffic. Also, why would the police restrict peaceful protesters? Seems like that would go against their 1st Amendment rights.
 
What's True? Peaceful Protestors, some with weapons, tearing down gates and mob damaging other properties? On the other side Character assassination of home owners, media makes them the aggressors. This is clearly political prosecution. Their gun handling skills don't enter into it. The administration wouldn't send police? There are to many things going on here to make any judgement call from the arm chair.
 
Weird, you're way more familiar with the CWE than me. Please elaborate how entering the locked gates on Portland Place is the only way to get to Lake and Washington (the mayor's address). I guess going through one locked gate onto private property then turning north to go through another locked gate is way easier than using Waterman, Westminster, Washington or either of the two access roads none of which have any gates whatsoever to restrict pedestrian traffic. Also, why would the police restrict peaceful protesters? Seems like that would go against their 1st Amendment rights.

Daniel Shular, a local reporter, took one of the videos and said he watched the entire roughly 10-minute long incident unfold. About 500 protesters were cutting through Portland Place, according to Shular, to bypass road closures nearby that blocked access to the mayor's home.

"A door next to the gate at Portland Place was unlocked and protesters went through it to cut through the neighborhood to get to Krewson's house"

St. Louis couple pulls firearms on protesters cutting through their private street
 
What does it tell you when police protection is denied, for political purposes. No protestors are getting arrested for anything. The Liberals do send Police to arrest home owners and confiscate their weapons. It sounds like the city will get hit by a Federal charge to me. Like civil rights violations Where is ACLU when you need them?
 
Maybe AG Barr should investigate the local DA's and prosecutors in all of these disturbances, to see why there are little in the way of prosecutions.
Sure wish he'd send someone to Wake County to investigate our local DA's.
 
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What's True? Peaceful Protestors, some with weapons, tearing down gates and mob damaging other properties? On the other side Character assassination of home owners, media makes them the aggressors. This is clearly political prosecution. Their gun handling skills don't enter into it. The administration wouldn't send police? There are to many things going on here to make any judgement call from the arm chair.

You really can't credibly make that argument while packing the same paragraph with just such armchair judgments ;)
 
...Personally, if there is going to be some shooting, I'll prefer cover or concealment. I'd have been inside looking out a dark window. When you found out I was there, you wouldn't know it for very long. ;)

How would you explain how you thought your life was in danger?

The "use-self-as-bait" theory of self defense...
 
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