Rights entail responsibility

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One thing this pandemic has taught me is that while all individuals have natural rights to life, liberty and property (which is what John Locke's Second Treatise on Civil Government taught the founding fathers, and especially, Jefferson), our rights (and liberty) entail a set of responsibilities, both individually and collectively.

1)We all have a responsibility to be self-sufficient. That means be prepared for disasters. Store food and supplies during times of peace and plenty to ensure that your family is taken care of. The only reason the stores are empty is because all of the irresponsible spendthrifts who never planned ahead. Now that the crisis is here, they make life difficult for everyone. It's akin to buying insurance after you wrecked your vehicle.

2) We all have a responsibility to defend ourselves, our families, our communities, and our country. That means keep and bear arms safely, train with those arms, and be ready to use them if evil invades. What I witnessed in states like CA and NJ are folks who never held a gun, and who probably voted to take away ours during peaceful times, now suddenly flock to gunshops and expect to walk out with their own gun and ammo on the same day (they cannot).

3) We all have a responsibility to our fellow Americans to stay indoors and stop going out, especially in groups. The R0 of this virus is ~2.4. Every infected person spreads it to between 2 and 3 people. That's an exponential spread. What I see are people in NY, NJ, and other states getting into big crowds, attending parties, mega-churches, etc. Yes, people have a natural right to assemble. But being responsible means knowing how to when to do so. What I've learned is that many folks are going over other people's houses, going out in public for trivial reasons, and attending mass gatherings at mega churches---they are not acting with a sense of responsibility for all other Americans who will have to stay locked-down longer because of the further spread of the disease.

4) We all have natural rights enumerated in the Constitution, and explained by Locke and the founders. But if liberty is to be maintained, then a culture of individual and collective responsibility needs to be re-invigorated.

If selfish and foolish folks continue with this irresponsible behavior, they will more and more be begging for further government tyranny. And people will beg for it the more others behave irresponsibly by abusing their own liberty.

We are a nation of individuals. But we are a nation also of the motto, e pluribus unum.

That's about all.
 
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You mean I can't go fishing were there are no people and have to stay in my house? I can't go to my shooting range that I own that's on 70 acers were no one lives. We don't all live in metro or urban areas.
 
You mean I can't go fishing were there are no people and have to stay in my house? I can't go to my shooting range that I own that's on 70 acers were no one lives. We don't all live in metro or urban areas.

Go back and read carefully what I posted. It applied to going out in groups and big crowds.

Interpreting what I wrote to mean that you can't go out all by yourself is like saying that 'All men are created equal' means that I am as tall as Patrick Ewing.
 
3) We all have a responsibility to our fellow Americans to stay indoors and stop going out, especially in groups.
I don't think I misread this, it only has a caveat at the end saying anything about groups.
 
3) We all have a responsibility to our fellow Americans to stay indoors and stop going out, especially in groups.
I don't think I misread this, it only has a caveat at the end saying anything about groups.

again: Interpreting what I wrote to mean that you can't go out all by yourself is like saying that 'All men are created equal' means that I am as tall as Patrick Ewing.

There's always that one student in my college classes...

You're not very good at this. I don't want to play anymore.
 
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Alright does that mean I have the professors permission to go Turkey hunting in a couple of weeks on my property...:D

Only if you tell me the place to get more 20 gauge. All the buck and slugs are gone.

J/k
 
Your the second person to ask me about 20 ga ammo. I've got plenty of 12 ga but I don't own a 20.
I had a guy I know last week doing some landscaping for me and he asked that same question.
It's been kind of a run here at my house most of my friends know I load a lot of ammo and I don't mind letting them have some. The landscaper that asked about the 20 ga also wanted to know about some .223, I let him have 600 rds of .223 for some trade on the work he was doing.
 
Your the second person to ask me about 20 ga ammo. I've got plenty of 12 ga but I don't own a 20.
I had a guy I know last week doing some landscaping for me and he asked that same question.
It's been kind of a run here at my house most of my friends know I load a lot of ammo and I don't mind letting them have some. The landscaper that asked about the 20 ga also wanted to know about some .223, I let him have 600 rds of .223 for some trade on the work he was doing.

I guess a lot of folks have 20 gauge. When the ammo scares happen, 9mm and .22 disappear first, along with .223

I guess 20ga. is like 38 spl. these days. Not as popular as the 12ga, but enough people have 20 ga and .38 spl. that it dries up shortly after the main cartridges.
 
I like .38/357 and have a abundance of those and 9mm. I've just never warmed up to the 20Ga it has always seemed to be a red headed step child compared to a 12Ga, not nearly as potent or ammo as available.
 
It does a mother's heart good to see the boys playing well together!

600 223 (are these reloads?) for landscaping! MY, MY! Desperate times produce desperate bargains!

There are specialty loads in 12 gauge that a 20 can never match! BUT, NORMAL hunting and SD applications are apples to apples, and often you can do them with grace AND style! That being said my favorite all-round 12 gauge load is 7/8 ounce at 1275 fps. (Basically a 20 gauge)

However, the point of this is/was to be prepared is case the unexpected happens! And look which of you got caught short on 20 gauge shells?

Ivan
 
One of the things that led to our governor to apply even stronger restrictions were pictures of several of our local beaches packed with people on Sunday. The weather was in the 80's and the beaches were packed with no thought to social distancing whatsoever. Yesterday he closed them down until June 10 except for exercising and fishing.
 
It does a mother's heart good to see the boys playing well together!

600 223 (are these reloads?) for landscaping! MY, MY! Desperate times produce desperate bargains!

There are specialty loads in 12 gauge that a 20 can never match! BUT, NORMAL hunting and SD applications are apples to apples, and often you can do them with grace AND style! That being said my favorite all-round 12 gauge load is 7/8 ounce at 1275 fps. (Basically a 20 gauge)

However, the point of this is/was to be prepared is case the unexpected happens! And look which of you got caught short on 20 gauge shells?

Ivan

Yes reloads at least for part of the landscaping, it's a bit more then 600 rns would be worth unless things were much worse then now and then I probably wouldn't be considering landscaping...:D
 
I have an LC Smith 20 ga side by side..sweet little shooter....not my main game buster but she gets a walk in the woods once or twice a year.

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I have an LC sxs 12 handed down to me from my great grand dad through my father. Probably from the 1930s. It’s got the characteristic tiny hairline cracks just behind the side plates, and I don’t shoot it. Just a real nice heirloom.
 
. It’s got the characteristic tiny hairline cracks just behind the side plates, and I don’t shoot it. Just a real nice heirloom.

I bought mine from a shop in California while I was regularly traveling out there. It was a box of parts. A customer had brought it in to have the stock refinished and had never responded to requests to pick it up. After three years, the shop owner sold it to recover his costs. When I had local gunsmith, John Berish, put it back together and file out some rust on the end of the barrel and refinish it, he advised that the stock would not stand heavy use. Apparently the inletting has several places that are normally thin and with age are subject to failure.

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