Ruptured Cartridge in new 9mm Shield

[jajo]

I don't remember reading anything about reloads in my Shield warranty info.


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[JNewell]

After half a dozen or more warnings never to use reloaded ammo, the warranty section of the Shield brochure states:

Smith & Wesson will not be responsible for:

• Use of defective or improper ammunition, corrosion, neglect,
abuse, ordinary wear and tear, or unreasonable use.

It's not a complete disqualification, but it's close. Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

 

[hardknoxni69a]

I always thought that a gun was like a car and had a break in period and should shoot 3-500 rounds of fmj before shooting hollow points or +p ? And don't trust anyone with ammo besides yourself or a trustworthy friend that you know is taking precise care of his reloads

 

[MichiganScott]

I always thought that a gun was like a car and should shoot 3-500 rounds of fmj before shooting hollow points ?

Not quite sure what the analogy is. I use gas in my car.

 

[Smokin' Iron]

With each one of these threads I read, my 3rd Gen CS9 looks better and better. Totally reliable and it gobbles up any load, factory or MY reloads without a hitch. I was tempted to pick up a Shield 9mm or M&P 9C, but the idea of rolling the quality control dice just doesn't interest me anymore.

 

[cmj8591]

Even with the rep telling you all is ok I would still send the gun back to the repair department. They will do what is called a magnetic particle test where they use a magnetic field to detect defects in the barrel that are not visible to the human eye. The reps are not factory repair specialists and I would be a little skeptical of someone telling me over the phone that the gun is ok to shoot without having looked at it.

 

[Maddmax]

With each one of these threads I read, my 3rd Gen CS9 looks better and better. Totally reliable and it gobbles up any load, factory or MY reloads without a hitch. I was tempted to pick up a Shield 9mm or M&P 9C, but the idea of rolling the quality control dice just doesn't interest me anymore.

Glucks had more than their far share of KA-Booms (also known as Glock-a-booms),over the years from not properly seating a round. That's why I never owned or thought about buying one.

 

[Smokin' Iron]

Glucks had more than their far share of KA-Booms (also known as Glock-a-booms),over the years from not properly seating a round. That's why I never owned or thought about buying one.

Yep, you are preaching to the choir here. That is why I do not own a Glock either.

 

[moxie]

I've been reloading for 25 years and I've never encountered "tired brass," even with cases I've reloaded scores of times. Over 30K reloads. Splits, yes. "Tired brass," no. This was likely a double charge. Particularly if the reloader was using a fast powder like Bullseye. It happens. You never give the reload data that supposedly was used.

 

[Lost Lake]

If it was a double charge I think you'd have known it. Regular rounds go bang bang bang and doubles charges go KABOOM!

I think the brass was weak right there and just gave out. If the rounds all kerplunk well, then the resizing was done correctly.

I've reloaded for 15 years and never had a round do that. Split cases yes, never a big hole torn through. But I haven't fired reloads in a Shield either.

All this talk of magna flux testing and sending the barrel away for inspection sounds expensive! What does a new Shield barrel cost? $70? Seems like an easy choice to buy a new barrel and move on.

 

[Bret]

Ur warranty is no longer as smith can tell what powder was in the ammo whe. Shot all they do is a swab and they know as far as what happened that brass was loaded one to many times and it ruptured where the brass is unsupported all be it very small area where it isn't in contact that's what happens

I don't know where you got this information, but it's 100% incorrect. Residue from burnt powder can't be used to determine the powder from which it came. Even if there were some unburnt specs, they'd have to perform very expensive tests to determine the exact chemical composition and then compare it to a known database. At that point they'd have wasted their time because there are numerous small manufacturers that use powders that are available at retail.

I always thought that a gun was like a car and had a break in period and should shoot 3-500 rounds of fmj before shooting hollow points or +p ? And don't trust anyone with ammo besides yourself or a trustworthy friend that you know is taking precise care of his reloads

While I do agree that you should shoot several hundered rounds through a pistol prior to betting you life on it, my personal experience 90% of the time is that if a new firearm has an initial failure of some sort, the problem will persist until it is repaired.

 

[Roadranger]

I've been reloading since 1967 and have loaded thousands of 9mm rounds. Viewers should note that the cases in the photos still have the primer in place. The primers appear to be slightly flattened, but not pierced and no gas leakage around the sides. I suspect it was a combination of a tired case and slightly unsupported chamber. How many times the case was loaded is unknown and 9mm and 40 cases shot in pistols without completely supported chambers are not going to last forever. That's why factory ammo is designed to shoot one time. After that, you are on your own. I know because I have already had to replace the cylinder on one of my M57 .41's due to a double charge. In that case the primer was not to be found and the case would have not accepted another primer. I do however, whole hearted agree with use your own reloads, not another's. Bob!!!

 

[Jayhawkhuntclub]

After half a dozen or more warnings never to use reloaded ammo, the warranty section of the Shield brochure states:

Smith & Wesson will not be responsible for:

• Use of defective or improper ammunition, corrosion, neglect,
abuse, ordinary wear and tear, or unreasonable use.

It's not a complete disqualification, but it's close. Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

That quote does not say ANYTHING about reloaded ammo. It doesn't say anything that wouldn't apply to factory ammo as well as reloads. That quote is a reasonable disclaimer that is common sense. But it has nothing in it that seems to be directed specifically at reloads. Right or wrong a gun company can always claim "it's not our fault" regardless of if the gun ever fired a reload. So taking that quote and saying it suggests reloads eliminate your warranty is just silly.

 

[Jasonm43]

I don't know where you got this information, but it's 100% incorrect. Residue from burnt powder can't be used to determine the powder from which it came. Even if there were some unburnt specs, they'd have to perform very expensive tests to determine the exact chemical composition and then compare it to a known database. At that point they'd have wasted their time because there are numerous small manufacturers that use powders that are available at retail.


While I do agree that you should shoot several hundered rounds through a pistol prior to betting you life on it, my personal experience 90% of the time is that if a new firearm has an initial failure of some sort, the problem will persist until it is repaired.

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Sure. Thanks...

 

[JNewell]

That quote does not say ANYTHING about reloaded ammo. It doesn't say anything that wouldn't apply to factory ammo as well as reloads. That quote is a reasonable disclaimer that is common sense. But it has nothing in it that seems to be directed specifically at reloads. Right or wrong a gun company can always claim "it's not our fault" regardless of if the gun ever fired a reload. So taking that quote and saying it suggests reloads eliminate your warranty is just silly.

If you kB a gun with reloads, the ammo was almost certainly defective or improper.

 

[dave2007]

I think maybe you should look at his thread and make sure you do not also have this problem of feedramp cut to deep into barrel.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-...ed-w-pictures-new-shield-chamber-problem.html

 

[Jayhawkhuntclub]

If you kB a gun with reloads, the ammo was almost certainly defective or improper.

And if you kB with factory loads? No difference. Yes, we all feel safer with factory loads than reloads. But factories make mistakes too.

 

[JNewell]

And if you kB with factory loads? No difference. Yes, we all feel safer with factory loads than reloads. But factories make mistakes too.

True, but much less common. And, in that rare case, you're likely to be able to get the ammunition manufacturer to deal with replacing the gun, without having to deal with the gun maker.

 

[Jayhawkhuntclub]

True, but much less common. And, in that rare case, you're likely to be able to get the ammunition manufacturer to deal with replacing the gun, without having to deal with the gun maker.

I wonder what the odds of the ammo manufacturer admitting fault? I honestly don't know. But I wouldn't think the odds would be that good.

 

[jem450r]

I trust reloads more then factory right now... Ive had several rounds of .45 acp barely make it out of the barrel!! Winchester, remington... I think theyre making them to fast... Not much QC. Had real light rounds, slide barely came back, enough powder to clear the barrel and thats it. Doesnt even deform the bullet! Got a couple nice complete .45 bullets with my barrel grooves...