Given that Ukraine and Russia both conceal the true extent of their casualties, I look at the other military analytics like war translator, Perun, Georgius, and even Russians like Konstantin Samoilov and The Russian Dude. Generally accepted numbers put Russian non-effectives (KIA, WIA, MIA, and POW) at over the 630,000. Ukraine, being a little more open in regards to sourcing information, seems to be around 80,000 KIA but close to 400,000 WIA, MIA, and POW. I'm following this pretty closely, being Ukrainian Canadian and ex military, and I have non media sources of my own that lead me to believe these numbers to be within an acceptable margin of error. What really torques me, and distresses me, is the number of normally good sane people who have swallowed the Kremlin garbage because it came from a source they liked or trusted but didn't bother to check other sources. At the end of the day, people will believe what they wish to believe and with some, no amount of evidence, logic, data, or discussion will change their minds. I ran into this discussing firearms legislation with anti-gun people.