S&W 625-8 Jerry Miculek

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Good Spring morning!! Been a long Winter, so far. Question:
Can I shoot 45 auto rim in my 625-8 without the moon clip? Wonder if S&W could make a 45 long Colt cylinder for it as well? I want to get all I can from this wonderful hunk of metal. Randy
 
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Sure, you can use auto rim. But... but... moon clips are excellent. I was hesitant to use them in my 625, as it seemed like just one more dang thing to keep track of and fiddle with, but I'm really glad I started using them. There's something really satisfying about opening the cylinder, dumping it, and just tossing the next load in the general direction of the chambers and having it shwoop right in. Embrace the clips, you'll be glad you did. :)

There are 625s chambered for .45LC, but I wouldn't think the cylinders would be interchangeable, since they're longer.
 
I have a 25-2 in 45 ACP from the 1970s and 45 AR give more accuracy than 45 acp w moon clips
 
The AR is designed to eliminate the need for moon clips. Even if you could get a AR round in a moon clip (it won't fit), the cylinder wouldn't close.
 
If you want the versatility of being able to shoot both .45 ACP and .45C, you need a 625 chambered in .45C and then you can have the cylinder machined to accept moon clips. Then you could shoot .45C, .45 ACP, .45 GAP (but not .45AR).

Be happy with what you have - as pointed out above, ACP in moon clips is the way to go.

Adios,

Pizza Bob
 
Moon clips work great but are a pain to deal with even with a good tool. Order up some auto rim brass from Starline and you will never look back.
 
There are polycarbonate moon clips called RIMZ available for both the 625 and 929. They are cheap and durable. They can be loaded without a tool or sore thumbs. They make a range day much more enjoyable with either gun. They make my 9mm mooning and demooning tool obsolete. If you are carrying professionally and want 100% security use metal clips. If you want to enjoy a trip to the range use RIMZ
 
Very timely posting. I've been using Rimz at the range. Just today I shot my last slowfire match in our winter league, 50' indoors, bullseye rules, 5 shots per target. 625-8 JM. The moon clips don't fly in like Jerry's do. With the match grips, I have to aim the the right way just to get a 5 round clip in. 6 rounds won't go past the thumb rest, but I don't need 6. Get out there and have fun. Here are 2 good targets from today. Ended up with 269.
FYI, I use 170g Magnus LSWC over Federal LP primer and 4.2g WST powder.
 

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Pittba-Nice shooting. Slow fire with the thumb rest fast reloads aren't a must obviously. As fast as Jerry shoots and reloads I'm guessing his cylinder holes might be a couple thousands oversized to allow quicker seating of the moon clip. If you watch him reload in slow motion he is unbelievably consistent and uses gravity to great advantage. I love shooting the 625. I just bought a 325 Night Guard to carry.
 
All you really need is a nice chamfer on the charge holes. It does not have to be huge just enough to keep the lip of the case from catching. The 625 is probably one of the most fun revolver I own, certainly the fastest most fumble free reloading revolver I own. MOONCLIPS RULE! Even after USPSA changed the rules making the 625 no longer competitive I still use my 625 at local matches just for fun. Nothing better than beating the bottom feeders with the noble round gun!

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ACP vs AR vs LC

Randy - As pointed out above, the AR brass is made to use 1917-pattern revos without the full, half or third-moon clips. At the beginning of WWI the 1911 manufacturers could not produce enough of the slab-sided shell-shucker, so S&W and another manufacturer adapted their 44.45 frame revolvers to use the ACP in the ingenious invention, the half-moon clip. This has evolved to the present 25/625. The 45AR rim is very thick (it uses a unique shell-holder/shell-plate) to take up the space vacated by the missing clip. It headspaces on the rim like a conventional rimmed round, therefore you can use a roll crimp on it. I consider it a better choice than ACP brass for making shotshells for that reason. HKS makes speedloaders for it, so you aren't stuck single loading it. For years, Remington had a monopoly on the brass and the price reflected that. Now Midway carries Starline and it's affordable. The new shell-plate for a Dillon is a different story.
The reason you can't interchange LC and ACP cylinders on an existing gun is that the cylinder lug at the bottom rear of the cylinder window is DIFFERENT between the two. Again this is because of the thick rim/added clip. S&W has yet to resolve this glitch and allow interchangeable cylinders. TK Custom can machine your LC cylinder to accept ACP in moons and still headspace LC on the outer half of the cylinder face, BUT just like the 'omnivorous' 45ACP/45LC revo made by a competitor firearms company, you then have the 45 ACP bullet leaving the ACP case and rattling down the remainder of the LC chamber, having to either obturate to seal itself to the chamber or be gas-cut all the way to slamming into the cylinder throat and then negotiate the forcing cone. I don't see how that results in any kind of accuracy. Also that configuration cannot digest 45AR.
Until S&W makes it easier to swap cylinders, that's the terrain.
If you want to swap cylinders, that scenario is for the time being restricted to the SA revolver universe, which is not a bad way to go if your revolver use is sporting and not duty/defense.
By the way TK (they made the clips that shipped with your 625) will do that milling and supply clips for almost any rimmed-case revolver configuration. I haven't had it done on my 29 nor 66 nor 686 nor 27 because A, I have a wheelbarrow full of speedloaders, and B, it's about $300 for the work and a batch of clips. I hope this clears up the ACP/AR/LC fog for you.
 
You may wish to try out RIMZ Poly Moon clips. Great for range use, and no tools needed. I have metal clips too, and a de-mooning tool (they don't get used) Bob
 

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Randy393:

Which front sight are you using? Is your front sight pinned? Thanks.
 
It would be possible to get a 625 ACP up with a 45 Colt cylinder. You vwould have to start with a 357 cylinder as they are the same length as an ACP cylinder except for the amount an ACP cylinder gaps at recoil sheld end for moon clips. Ream from 357 to 45 Colt them a small ,035 ledge would need cut around outside rear of cylinder so the frame lug that keeps cylinder from moving to the rear when open would clear. Bunch of work and fitting, plus you would not be able to fire some of the longer heavier bullets. Want to have a dual it is easier to start with a Colt than an ACP. Unless you have a small macine shp or money to burn.
 
Dear OP,

As others mentioned before, stick with the original 45acp configuration and use clips. Buy a bunge, they are the cheapest in clip-country, and load them at home. Very convenient
I used a 625 for IPSC, great combo, swift reloads.

To speak with Ed Becka, I changed guns, now I am shooting a 8 shot 357 with shortened cases to ease up reloads (38 super length). My groups ar twice as big as with normal case lengths because the bullet travels unguided for twice his own length. I will not hit a steel plate at 40m because the group is too big.
I carry longer cases for these occaisions.

Enjoy your gun!

Regards HP
 

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