S&W dabbled in microstamping - pics

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If this has been discussed, I've missed that conversation. I made this discovery some time ago and snagged a few pictures to detail it. What I find most interesting is that evidence suggests that S&W did this… and then later elected to abandon it.

What I'll show here are pictures of two different Performance Center 952 pistols.

The dark one is a 952-1 pistol and I had the wood stocks off because a previous owner had butchered the grip screw bushings so you will notice in the picture of the blued 952-1 that the upper grip screw bushing is not in place.

The bushing hole is key to this discussion because it is just to the right of this spot where the microstamping is present.

The Performance Center pistols have the serial number located under the grip and you can see that on the left and the microstamping on the right.


Here is a picture that I zoomed in on so that you can see a better view — indeed, it doesn't look very clear. But it is there for sure:


The last picture is of my 952-2 stainless, a pistol that was made a few years later than the 952-1 that has the microstamping.

Note that I have obscured the last two digits on this one, but the point of the exercise is to show how the microstamping simply does not exist on the later pistol. You will also notice that I did not touch the stock screw bushings on this pistol — this one is mint and there was no need to mess with them and replace anything, so you'll see the hole looks larger on the 952-1 than on this pistol.

I haven't dug in to any of my other S&W pistols made in the early-to-mid 2000's when this 952-1 was made to see if any others have this microstamping. But I did think this might make for interesting forum fodder.
 
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Sounds a bit like the serial numbers that S&W used to put on cylinders, barrels and such. Or possibly those pesky assembly numbers that confuse so many people.

Now if the very end of your firing pin has a micro number, I might be concerned.
 
Yes, it is a microstamped version of the same serial number in a third location.

It's purpose?! I'm not sure. Were they thinking "if a bad guy obliterates the one under the slide stop, here is one under the left stock. And if the bad guy obliterates that second and obvious one that is twice the size of the original one, here is a teeny one that is hard to read and will take even less time to obliterate!"

Others should feel free to guess at their thinking.
 
So I'm think it was a PC only thing ?

Only my PCs have the micro..

Standard model have nothing

I have some later PCs I'll inspect and advise...
 

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That's to comply with Mass law (maybe other places too) that requires that the serial number be stamped on the frame twice. Once where it can be viewed and someplace where it is hidden. I think that applies to guns made after 1996 but I'm not sure exactly when it went into effect.
 
Interesting angle but not the answer in this case… the 952-1 tiny stamp is the 3rd appearance of the SN and the tiny stamp does not even exist on the later production 952-2, so this is not to conform to MA law.

Performance Center pistols did gain a witness hole in the barrel hood to be used as a "loaded chamber indicator" that certainly seems to be a response to nonsensical gun safety laws, but this tiny SN stamp isn't one of them.
 
Well of course "Sevens" you have started another interesting post. You got me anyway.

Since most of my PC examples are early ones, I started with the newest. My @ 2000 9 Recon doesn't have the micro stamping.

I took the grips off of some of the chronology older ones and there was still no micro stamping. BUT, most were aluminum alloy framed. So I thought maybe a steel frame one might have it but of my oldest steel framed one, (first run 945 1998,) didn't have it.

Interesting original post and I'm waiting for more responses.

Jim
 
For what it's worth, (not much) here is the Code of Mass Regulations regarding serial numbers. I think that they used two numbers when the rule went into effect. Later they figured out how to comply with only stamping the number once so that's why it doesn't appear on the newer guns. It looks like the rule went into effect in Oct. of 97.


16.03: Tamper-Resistant Serial Numbers
It shall be an unfair or deceptive practice for a handgun-purveyor to transfer or offer to
transfer to any customer located within the Commonwealth any handgun on which the serial .
number has been placed solely in a location on the handgun that results in the number's
susceptibility to eradication. A serial number shall be deemed not susceptible to eradication for
purposes of 940 CMR 16.00 if:
( 1) it is placed on the interior of the handgun, and the handgun-purveyor provides information
regarding the location of the interior serial number to the Office of the Attorney General and
other law enforcement officials upon request; or
(2) it is placed on the exterior of the handgun in a way that is not visible to the unaided eye, but
is visible with the aid of an infrared detector or other device, and the handgun-purveyor provides
information regarding the location of the non visible serial number or any method by which this
number can be made viewable to the Office of the Attorney General and other law enforcement
officials upon request.
 
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My 945 has nothing, the guns above under magnification have 3 SER# stamped or etched in the gun, one being a very earley 92/93 .40tac

I've got no idea when the DPA was made... ill take a look at the end label tomorrow
 
For what it's worth, (not much) here is the Code of Mass Regulations regarding serial numbers. I think that they used two numbers when the rule went into effect. Later they figured out how to comply with only stamping the number once so that's why it doesn't appear on the newer guns. It looks like the rule went into effect in Oct. of 97.


16.03: Tamper-Resistant Serial Numbers
It shall be an unfair or deceptive practice for a handgun-purveyor to transfer or offer to
transfer to any customer located within the Commonwealth any handgun on which the serial .
number has been placed solely in a location on the handgun that results in the number's
susceptibility to eradication. A serial number shall be deemed not susceptible to eradication for
purposes of 940 CMR 16.00 if:
( 1) it is placed on the interior of the handgun, and the handgun-purveyor provides information
regarding the location of the interior serial number to the Office of the Attorney General and
other law enforcement officials upon request; or
(2) it is placed on the exterior of the handgun in a way that is not visible to the unaided eye, but
is visible with the aid of an infrared detector or other device, and the handgun-purveyor provides
information regarding the location of the non visible serial number or any method by which this
number can be made viewable to the Office of the Attorney General and other law enforcement
officials upon request.

They must have had some pretty stupid criminals there in the late 90s. :D
 
I'm sure at least one of mine has the tiny serial numbers.

I'm thinking it is the CS40 and possibly some of the TSW models.

Under the grips and laser engraved.

I don't have any PC models.

If I get time I'll pull some grips.

I've no doubt some logically questionable law was behind it.

John
 
They must have had some pretty stupid criminals there in the late 90s. :D

That's for sure! The stupidest criminal was L. Scott Harshbarger, who was the Attorney General who made the regulation. Of course it was all done in the guise of consumer protection for gun buyers.
 
Maybe someone has some information about this. It's on a 629 that I purchased new about 10 years ago. I'm thinking it is how they are complying with the regulation about super secret serial numbers instead of doing the micro stamping. I scanned the QR code with my phone and it said that it contains data that can not be read with a third party app. The serial number is stamped on the butt and in the yoke cut out.

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I've seen the QR code on display on the slide of some guns (Sigs I think, maybe HK?)

Begs the question…
We all know how nutty the BATFE gets over serial numbers, but clearly this ugly thing isn't a serial number. Does that mean it's a-okay to obliterate that abomination?
 
I've seen the QR code on display on the slide of some guns (Sigs I think, maybe HK?)

Begs the question…
We all know how nutty the BATFE gets over serial numbers, but clearly this ugly thing isn't a serial number. Does that mean it's a-okay to obliterate that abomination?

At least Smith put it under the grips. Colt put it right on the side of their beautiful, new Python. It could be a serial number or inventory control or anything. Apparently you can't read it without the proprietary software so who knows?
 
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