Today I ran across a supply of S&W "Friction Block" Light Oil. I had not heard of this before and was wondering if anyone has any experience with it. I was looking for a light oil to use with Big 45 Frontier metal cleaner. Appreciate any comments from anyone who has used this oil.
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Contains Cerflon....boron nitride combined with PTFE (teflon) to add lubricity and "stabilize" the PTFE. (according to the web site) I'm not sure about the S&W product's exact formulation.
Also used in products like Liquid Wrench brand spray lubricants, like their "Dry Lube" spray. I use the Liquid Wrench products for cleaning.....and for lubrication in the winter months.
There is some ongoing debate about whether or not PTFE should be used inside the barrel, where temperatures can get quite high.
Also used in products like Liquid Wrench brand spray lubricants, like their "Dry Lube" spray. I use the Liquid Wrench products for cleaning.....and for lubrication in the winter months.
There is some ongoing debate about whether or not PTFE should be used inside the barrel, where temperatures can get quite high.
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PTFE (Teflon) is just about a moot point now since the Gov't has decided that Teflon is now on the forbidden list of ingredients. From the new label on existing products PTFE's (teflon) is not listed anymore which means it is no longer in the product.
I know the product I recently discovered and have been posting about lately (Birchwood Casey Synthetic Gun Oil) originally had PTFE on the label, but the new production of the same product no longer lists that ingredient. A quick call to B/C confirmed that indeed the Gov't had prohibited them from using it in future production.
Smith & Wesson never produced gun oils or solvents, so someone else produced the product and private labeled it for S&W. I don't know who it is and I have not used any of this product so there is not much I can comment on. If it seems to work well, I'd just use it and doubt you will ever be able to replace it with exactly the same stuff.
I know the product I recently discovered and have been posting about lately (Birchwood Casey Synthetic Gun Oil) originally had PTFE on the label, but the new production of the same product no longer lists that ingredient. A quick call to B/C confirmed that indeed the Gov't had prohibited them from using it in future production.
Smith & Wesson never produced gun oils or solvents, so someone else produced the product and private labeled it for S&W. I don't know who it is and I have not used any of this product so there is not much I can comment on. If it seems to work well, I'd just use it and doubt you will ever be able to replace it with exactly the same stuff.
I never said that W&W produced this oil, it is sold by S&W under the S&W name and was or is made for S&W by an outfit named Action Products, Inc..
Armorer 951, I am planning to use it only as an exterior lubricant for Big 45 Frontier to hopefully remove freckling on the barrel of a rifle I recently acquired, plus some bullet casting moulds that, as is common with them, have acquired a thin coating of freckling/rust on their exteriors. It is reputed to not harm or alter bluing in any way. Going to be interesting to see how the Big 45 works. Ran across a post on RimfireCentral that discussed the use of Big 45 and gave very positive comments on it.
Armorer 951, I am planning to use it only as an exterior lubricant for Big 45 Frontier to hopefully remove freckling on the barrel of a rifle I recently acquired, plus some bullet casting moulds that, as is common with them, have acquired a thin coating of freckling/rust on their exteriors. It is reputed to not harm or alter bluing in any way. Going to be interesting to see how the Big 45 works. Ran across a post on RimfireCentral that discussed the use of Big 45 and gave very positive comments on it.
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It doesn't take much research to discover that the vast majority of gun oils on the market are mainly mineral oil. Some have a small proportion of other stuff added in, which may or may not contribute anything but whose real value is questionable at best. S&W does not make oil, so it clearly buys in bulk from some supplier and has it repackaged.
This reminds me of a situation may years back, when a friend found he suddenly had a little gold mine on is hands. I won't name the product, but we'll call it Super-Duper Grease, and it received some pretty good press in the gun mags, followed by a rush of sales my friend was challenged to fill. His "specially-formulated" grease was nothing but a big-name bearing grease he bought in drums then pumped in to 1.5 oz. containers with his label on them and sold for $8 a pop to suck- -- er, I mean, shooters.
This reminds me of a situation may years back, when a friend found he suddenly had a little gold mine on is hands. I won't name the product, but we'll call it Super-Duper Grease, and it received some pretty good press in the gun mags, followed by a rush of sales my friend was challenged to fill. His "specially-formulated" grease was nothing but a big-name bearing grease he bought in drums then pumped in to 1.5 oz. containers with his label on them and sold for $8 a pop to suck- -- er, I mean, shooters.
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I collect and restore vintage GE electric fans and if you go on Fleabay you will see 1 ounce bottles of re-bottled oil for sale for absurd prices! For what they charge in a 1 ounce medicine bottle with a rubber squeeze dropper, you can almost buy a quart! CAVEAT EMPTOR!!
Some of the "slicker entrepreneurs" not only repackage their oils and lubes but they add a different color or scent to make the buyers think it's actually a unique product.
Smith & Wesson is not the only gun company to do this - as most have actually done so over the years. Colt, Winchester, Browning, Remington, Daisy, Crossman, benjamin, RWS, blah blah blah..............
Some of the "slicker entrepreneurs" not only repackage their oils and lubes but they add a different color or scent to make the buyers think it's actually a unique product.
Smith & Wesson is not the only gun company to do this - as most have actually done so over the years. Colt, Winchester, Browning, Remington, Daisy, Crossman, benjamin, RWS, blah blah blah..............
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By the way after watching many many so called "torture tests" of gun oils I can honestly say they are a bit confusing and should be taken somewhat with a grain of salt - and here's why..........
EVERY TIME I have watched torture tests for rust prevention and or lubrication qualities the results seem to vary quite a bit. The testers will typically use a marked sheet or equally cut pieces of cut steel and apply different rust preventatives and oils. They leave them outside for a time or do friction slide testes and then do a video review of the results. Most testers I've watched have been fair, as consistent as possible and seem relatively unbiased and truly want to be fair with all products.
The problem I have with this is the steels they use are not all the same and are never tested on actual firearms. Sometimes what proves to be a good rust preventative and lubricant on some steel proves to be poor on others. I have actually tried some highly touted and tested products myself only to be disappointed with the results. Other products that have faired poorly in some of the on-line tests have always worked perfectly well for me.
We must remember that most of us do clean, oil and store our prized possessions in a reasonable manner and never leave them out in the snow, rain or mud to just rust. Yes it's nice to know you are using a product that will survive in a Tsunami, a Class 3 Hurricane, and the Sahara desert, however are some of these worth the hassle, expense and time they take to properly apply if heating, multiple applications and special application methods are required?? That is a question we need to answer for ourselves!
Over the years I have used what I have personally found to work the best for me and I TRULY BELIEVE no matter what products we use it matters LESS than being SURE to ALWAYS use something and on a consistent basis. A "fair" product used every time will beat a 5 star product used only sporadically. If you have used a product for lets say 10 years, is reasonably priced, applies easily with no special preparations and has no strong odors just stay with it! Yea, if what you are is letting you down or you find something by accident that blows away your current go-to product then switch.
The gun-lubrication and rust prevention products just seem to multiply over night and many of them are private labeled products that have been repackaged and sold at ridiculous prices so as usual weigh the results against the cost and availability. Ask yourself if you are happy/unhappy with what you currently use - go from there.
EVERY TIME I have watched torture tests for rust prevention and or lubrication qualities the results seem to vary quite a bit. The testers will typically use a marked sheet or equally cut pieces of cut steel and apply different rust preventatives and oils. They leave them outside for a time or do friction slide testes and then do a video review of the results. Most testers I've watched have been fair, as consistent as possible and seem relatively unbiased and truly want to be fair with all products.
The problem I have with this is the steels they use are not all the same and are never tested on actual firearms. Sometimes what proves to be a good rust preventative and lubricant on some steel proves to be poor on others. I have actually tried some highly touted and tested products myself only to be disappointed with the results. Other products that have faired poorly in some of the on-line tests have always worked perfectly well for me.
We must remember that most of us do clean, oil and store our prized possessions in a reasonable manner and never leave them out in the snow, rain or mud to just rust. Yes it's nice to know you are using a product that will survive in a Tsunami, a Class 3 Hurricane, and the Sahara desert, however are some of these worth the hassle, expense and time they take to properly apply if heating, multiple applications and special application methods are required?? That is a question we need to answer for ourselves!
Over the years I have used what I have personally found to work the best for me and I TRULY BELIEVE no matter what products we use it matters LESS than being SURE to ALWAYS use something and on a consistent basis. A "fair" product used every time will beat a 5 star product used only sporadically. If you have used a product for lets say 10 years, is reasonably priced, applies easily with no special preparations and has no strong odors just stay with it! Yea, if what you are is letting you down or you find something by accident that blows away your current go-to product then switch.
The gun-lubrication and rust prevention products just seem to multiply over night and many of them are private labeled products that have been repackaged and sold at ridiculous prices so as usual weigh the results against the cost and availability. Ask yourself if you are happy/unhappy with what you currently use - go from there.
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For gun oil I use the orginal USGI Light Weapons Oil. (Bores) for inside the gun actions I use moly. On the outside I use G96 silicone spray.
I use the orginal USGI Rifle Bore Cleaner. In my rifles and most handguns. In very careful on my smiths..
I use the orginal USGI Rifle Bore Cleaner. In my rifles and most handguns. In very careful on my smiths..
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