I bought a new mod 60 about 1992-94 and one cylinder would key hole bullets at 25 yards. Bought one more new one, an airweight bodyguard about 2000 and it has been great. My other 50 or so Smiths are pre 1970 and are a pleasure to own and shoot. You were buying the correct brand of handgun, just the wrong model year.
s&w had there LAST chance with me!
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I think I've commented before on the state of poor QC that seems to be plagueing ALL gun makers right now.
I certainly don't have any answers,but these things simply should not be happening. I most certainly will be sticking with older proven guns until it's a certainty that this has ended.
When that may be is anybody's guess.Sometimes it's the luck of the draw.
Just a theory and by no means is it an excuse that fixes anything, but do you guys think all these gun makers are running into QC problems due to the fact that gun sales are at an all time high? I just read that last year ALONE, in the US, there were some 10.8 million handgun purchases...in one year!! Now, that figure doesn't even take into account multiple gun purchases at one time. and doesn't take into account private or gunshow purchases...which typically aren't always new stock anyhow....but the point remains.
I'm just wondering if all the makers are running around with the heads cut off trying to fill orders and contracts and sales at the expense of letting less than perfect guns get out the door. It seems they are more concentrated on getting guns out and letting the consumer send fixes back in than simply taking extra time and control to catch them before they leave....what you think??
StatesRightist
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Whoa...why are you injecting common sense into this whine fest? I get Treerat's issues, but some of this is ridiculous.
roaddog28
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Again, sorry for your luck. I have had only one new S&W revolver. It was a model 10-14. I did not have any problems but the revolver was no way as nice as my older ones. I since sold the revolver. All of the S&W handguns I own now are 20 years and older. I doubt that I will ever buy a S&W new again. But I can say the same thing about Ruger too. Rugers older handguns are much better than the new ones made now.
Its sad to say that quality has left most gun companies. All gun companies care about now is cranking out a lot of guns to sell but not caring whether they work or not.
Regards,
Howard
Its sad to say that quality has left most gun companies. All gun companies care about now is cranking out a lot of guns to sell but not caring whether they work or not.
Regards,
Howard
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well....in your past writings you no longer buy ruger because they are not up to your standards...now smith&wesson....i guess that leaves rossi,taurus,charter arms and the like 
photoman
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I wish others luck and hope all is well with there guns, but I am done with the so called master gunsmiths at S&W! I would be afraid to let these people change the oil on a push mower.
OK. Bye bye. See you later.
Yes, I think S&W is getting caught up with things they are not suited for. Take the polymer guns for example. The M&P looks nice but has a malfunction with the slide closing when you insert the magazine. It is not supposed to do it. Many of the people on this forum think its a great feature and S&W has said that the gun is malfunctioning and they can't do anything about it, so, oh well, we just wanted you to know that we know its a pile. The crappy thing is, they are not doing anything to fix the problem. They are just still putting a product out on the market that they know damn well is not working right. I bought the Glock instead. I really did want the M&P but not if it does not work the way iit was designed to work. I wish S&W would just cut their losses on the plastic and go back to what they do best, make a quality firearm that I can pass onto my sone when I pass away. and he when its his turn.
johnsonl
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We ALL want a Python! Polished stainless 4", please.
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I have bought several new (and used) guns over the last couple of years and so have my friends. There is so much of an increase in demand that in order to keep production up, I believe that quality control has suffered. My local dealer claims that he is selling five times the number of guns than he did two years ago. Between my friends and I, we have had to send back new Glock Gen4s, new Kahrs, new Smith & Wessons, new Berettas, new Taurus and new Kal Techs. I believe that Glock has a real problem with the 9mm Gen4s. We keep wanting smaller carry guns and we want them as accurate and reliable as the full-size models. Another thing that has changed is that although Kahr openly says that their guns need a 200 round break-in period, most other brands used to claim that they were ready out of the box. I currently find this to be very false and this newer breed of guns needs at least 200 and probably 500 rounds before they run as smooth as the older generation of guns did. I must say that my new M&P which only has 280 rounds through it has been very reliable and accurate. I have only had one fte, but the trigger needs to smooth out a little.
I do believe that ammunition as a whole is getting better, but I have noticed a big drop off in the power and accuracy of the budget Federal rounds.
Sorry, just my opinion.
I do believe that ammunition as a whole is getting better, but I have noticed a big drop off in the power and accuracy of the budget Federal rounds.
Sorry, just my opinion.
Every manufacturer has glitches. The mag closure thing has long since been fixed. Frankly, the striker issue was much more serious. It has also been fixed. There are thousands of M&Ps successfully in service in LE. I have three which have a combined +/- 9,000 rounds through them with zero drama. They were manufactured between 2006 and 2010.
Spend enough time on the internet forums and you can find something wrong with anything.
The last new handgun I purchased was an S&W Performance Center Model 67 F-Comp for my wife. Fit, finish, accuracy were perfect. Can't say the same for many of the "regular" production guns I look at periodically at the shops. Heck, the last couple of 617s I've seen I could spot defects from ten feet away -- very crude-looking. I hate to think we have to pay the Performance Center premium just to get a well-made product, but I'm begining to think so. As far as Ruger goes, it seems like I've noticed the same issues with the double-action guns, but not the Blackhawks -- could just be me, though.
andyo5
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There is a reason the Colt stopped selling their double action revolvers. They were expensive to make, went out of time easily, and the later ones had really poor trigger actions. I have shot several. Uggh!
They look nice, though.
Spend enough time on the internet forums and you can find something wrong with anything.
How true!
Austerity
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Two new model J frames purchased in the last month and a Taurus, no problems from any of them. 
Pythons are nice. Got one from the custom shop in 1980...Mostly lives in the safe.......My Smiths make the noise.
5 Smiths with the lock......No problems with any of them.
Yep. Bought a new Anaconda(4") in 45 LC when they were first announced. Pretty on the outside. VERY HEAVY. And loose as **** on the inside. Plus leaded to beat %*!# with all lead loads that ran fine through my Smiths. Its long gone.
mc5aw
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From the OP ... "after fixing the clocked barrel myself"
Congratulations, you just invalidated the pistol's warranty.
From the OP ... "thats FOUR new guns in two months"
Did you send them all back to be repaired with a letter to S&W explaining that you are extremely displeased re: the company's QC? Or did you simply get rid of them without giving S&W the chance to make things right? The original post indicates the first pistol was not sent back; the second pistol's fate is unclear; the third and fourth pistols' problems are not mentioned at all.
Tough to damn a complete product line when a company's very generous warranty policy is ignored and not taken advantage of.
Congratulations, you just invalidated the pistol's warranty.
From the OP ... "thats FOUR new guns in two months"
Did you send them all back to be repaired with a letter to S&W explaining that you are extremely displeased re: the company's QC? Or did you simply get rid of them without giving S&W the chance to make things right? The original post indicates the first pistol was not sent back; the second pistol's fate is unclear; the third and fourth pistols' problems are not mentioned at all.
Tough to damn a complete product line when a company's very generous warranty policy is ignored and not taken advantage of.
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Having purchased a new Model 36 Classic 3", a new Model 64 2" a new-old-stock Model 5906 and a new M&P 9C in the past 5 years and having had exactly zero issues with any of them I have a quite different view of the Company.
Now if I had a problem with the first one I may have given them a second chance. But if by try number three I was still dissatisfied, I'm thinking there would not have been a fourth attempt on my part.
The OP has 16 posts on this forum. Interesting reads, they are.
Now if I had a problem with the first one I may have given them a second chance. But if by try number three I was still dissatisfied, I'm thinking there would not have been a fourth attempt on my part.
The OP has 16 posts on this forum. Interesting reads, they are.
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owenwd54
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new guns
I had a new Nano and it was a good shooting gun but had extraction
problems and beretta has no clue as what to do with them and I fixed mine .
I traded mine on a 686 plus 3" and love it no cocked barrel and no extraction problems .Smith & Wesson beats Beretta in quality .
I had a new Nano and it was a good shooting gun but had extraction
problems and beretta has no clue as what to do with them and I fixed mine .
I traded mine on a 686 plus 3" and love it no cocked barrel and no extraction problems .Smith & Wesson beats Beretta in quality .
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