S&W Model 19 Coming Back

[Mike SC Hunter]

Well shoot. I didn't know you wanted to see one.



There you go. No problem at all.

Thanks.........Any idea what the OD is at the muzzle end?

 

[Walkingwolf]

Critical (analytical) discussions of products is part & parcel of this forum, including the good with the bad.

I make no attempts to form any opinions in your head, I merely state that the Smith system is not the equal of the DW because it's true.

The flange at the muzzle is much less strong than the DW threaded barrel nut.
The Smith two-piece barrel is not interchangeable.
It cannot be serviced (swapped or B/C gap adjusted) by the user or replaced by the local gunsmith.
It HAS broken off at both ends.

If you choose to ignore these facts, that's up to you.
Just don't use the better DW system to justify the Smith system.
Not equal at all.
Denis

I am done, you provided no evidence, bashed a smith product, even though I expressed that my choice from the start was limited to my own purchases you continued. At no time did I try to change anyone else opinion, or choice. As I expressed don't like something, don't do it, don't buy. But unless it is illegal others choices are not yours, and attempting to push them is insulting.

 

[Dpris]

Yes, you are done.
Nowhere did I bash S&W or attempt to push anybody into, or out of, anything but misleading statements in an attempt to justify what S&W's done with their two-piece barrels.
Denis

 

[K Frame Keith]

I prefer pre lock weapons but I respect the choice of any shooter who purchases a new model S&W revolver in preference to some soulless plastic block.

 

[Walkingwolf]

I prefer pre lock weapons but I respect the choice of any shooter who purchases a new model S&W revolver in preference to some soulless plastic block.

I own a couple Blocks, they serve their purpose, but I still prefer my revolvers. One thing I never do is go to a Block website to bash Blocks. That would be rude, and inconsiderate, but if I did I would at least have some facts to back it up.

 

[redglare]

I own a couple Blocks, they serve their purpose...

Yes. Have papers, breezes will blow.

 

[snowman.45]

I have my last duty revolver before the switch; a 4" 66-2. It was a great gun during the years I carried it in uniform and it is still a great gun today. I have a 3" 66-2 that was carried by my deceased brother-in-law while he was assigned to detectives. It is also a great gun that is accurate and reliable. Now, I couldn't resist the temptation and my curiosity got the better of me, so I bought 2.75" 66-8. I removed the locked and plugged the lock hole, as is my habit. It is different; two-piece barrel, MIM and all, but it shoots right up there with the two 66-2s I spoke of. I like the design, which minimizes the potential for a split forcing cone. I like the ball-detente lock-up. In fact, I like most everything about it because it still functions as a reliable and accurate revolver. Further, having it around keeps me from stoking up the 66-2s with some warm magnums and chance causing damage I can't undue or repair easily. Would I buy a 66-8 over an older pre-lock model? Probably not, because of nostalgia, not performance.

 

[bigfatty]

I ordered a Model 19 Carry Comp from Buds. It had a beautiful trigger. But ... you had to literally smack the right side of the cylinder to get it to open, it didn't lock up properly through an entire 6 round dry fire cycle, and was so pressed against the frame that the finish was scratched through to the bare metal in two places. I was appalled that it got out of the PC that way. No choice but to send it back. A few weeks later, I bought a PC 686+, and it was perfect. QC is dead at S&W. Buy at a gun shop. Check it out rather than buy sight unseen. If you get a good one, it's an awesome revolver. My personal experience over the past five or so years with internet-ordered S&W revolvers: 6 ordered, 4 of which were from the PC. Model 66 was good, Model 586 returned, I declined to try a replacement. Of the PC models, TRR8 was good, kept it. 686+ 5" perfect, will keep for life. 686+ Snub kept but returned to S&W to correct clocked barrel and poor finish. Model 19 Carry Comp, disaster as described above. 3 out 6 ordered -- a full 50% -- were defective, and that average applied to the PC, as well.

I'm not bashing, I love them, and I've bought enough of them. But, I feel I've paid for the right to gripe about their lack of QC.

As far as the lock goes, I don't care for them, but I've never personally had a mechanical problem caused by them. With a few exceptions, you want a new one, you deal with the Lock hole.

The finish on the new Model 19 Classic is much better than that on the Carry Comp. The Classic has a polished blue finish. Not by any stretch of the imagination comparable to the blued S&W finishes of decades past, but attractive and acceptable. The carry comp has a pretty fragile and unattractive finish that reminds me more of Parkerizing than bluing. If you're over 50 haven't seen that type of "bluing" before, you're going to be very disappointed. The 586 Classic has the same type of finish.

I apologize that a good part of my post is somewhat off topic.

Edit: Geesh, I forgot that I had to send the 66 back to correct a canted barrel, lol. The percentage therefore is greater than 50% defective (from my personal experience, of course).

 

[ladder13]

Nothing new, Sig had a slew of rails fly off their crappy P226 frames back in the mid to late 80's, blamed it on a supplier. All gun companies have excuses.
Yeah, I had one of those 226's. In all fairness they did replace the gun.

 

[CajunBass]

Thanks.........Any idea what the OD is at the muzzle end?

No idea, but here it is side by side with my 19-4. Maybe you can get an idea. I suppose the two piece is a little bigger, but not a lot I don't think.



To tell you the truth, for all the talk about the muzzle, I never paid much attention to it. I don't look at it from that end.

 

[The Norseman]

S&W Model 19

I like it, better than Polymer and Chassis Metal Firing
System things out there, but I'm holding out for the
New 69 45Colt, or 25/625 4"Bbl 45Colt.

I reload a lot. The Internal Firing Pin (IFP) are on
most on of my Revolvers. IFP tighter tolerances is better
for elevating the possibility of the Primer flowing back in the
hole on hunting/hot reloads.

The Yoke/crane Ball Detent (YBD) is on my 629 44Mag Light Hunter.
It is defiantly a better lock up being closer to the
frame window. Makes the Revolver look finished off and
clean looking. I like it.

As for the Side Plate Lock (SPL), that is not a show stopper
for me. It is wise to have if Children are in the Area of
Operation (AO).

Shrouded Barrel, clever design, someone was thinking.
Does not squeeze the barrel at the Frame, uninterrupted
rifling.

I like that it has Adjustable Rear Sight too.

Metal Injected Molding/Machining parts (MIM), WHATEVER.

Also these improvements are the next phase of Collecting
S&W's.

Thank you Smith & Wesson.

 

[tjpopkin]

I am looking at the NEW Model 19 carry comp.....
I had an older Model 66 Carry Comp:



However, compared to my RM, a 6" Model 66, a 5" Pre 27, and a pair of later 8-shot 5", 3.5" guns....the 66 was not very accurate...It broke my heart (it was my first PC gun) to sell it, but if it did not shoot...why keep it.
The NEW one should be better...

 

[Sol-Invictus]

I have a a no dash 66 snub P & R, the elusive Lady Smith 66 snub Pinned, and a 66-8. I hate to say it the new gun is the best revolver I own. It has a a better trigger, better lockup, is more robust, comes with an even better grip than the uncle mikes on the Lady Smith. The barrel design is superior, the accuracy is better. It has handled a steady diet of magnums. I did have to send it back for forcing cone work but I think I have had to send almost every new gun by S&W and Ruger for something, I expect and demand perfection for my money. The only problems I have with the PC guns is they do require a rework of the action in most cases with heavier springs to get them where I like them. The PC folks also have a tendency to bugger up screws which need to be replaced or leave food in the action.

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[Shag67]

Just got an email notification from bud's that they have the carry comp back in stock. Went to the site and it said they had 8 in stock. I grabbed one so 7 left now. Get 'em while they're hot.