S&W Shield 2.0 vs Sig Sauer P365, my take!

[Chazman1946]

S&W Shield 2.0 9mm vs. Sig Sauer P365, I have owned both!


I previously owned a Sig Sauer P365 and found the weapon to be Not Ready for Prime Time. The pistol never fit my hand correctly and naturally pointed correctly, unless I had the 12 round magazine in it.

The still numerous problems unanswered by Sig, , ie broken strikers, broken trigger springs, severe primer strike drag, questioned it's reliability, despite numerous anecdotal assertions from others and mine going through 500 hiccup free rounds.

Was it still a ticking time bomb?

MAC Channel has bought three separate P365s and each one of them a clunker. And this guy actually purchases them of the shelf from gun stores, not using the finely tuned demos sent by Sig and routinely used by the popular Youtube reviewers.

I sold mine because even with a born date of 28 June 2018, it still had severe, very severe striker drag on the primer.

My P365 striker dragged casing next to a case from my G42, showing no striker drag at all!



Spent casing from my S&W Shield 2.0 once again showing ZERO striker drag, dispelling the Sig Fanboy’s assertion that all subcompact pistols have Striker drag, to take the heat off of the P365



This weapon also lacks the integrated green laser, which is a real plus for the 2.0


Sig P365 with 12 Round Mag




S&W Shield 2.0 with integrated Green Laser with Magguts 9+1 installed.




With the Magguts 9+1 flush fit in the weapon you are only giving up 1 round of ammo and still having the concealability , and even a better purchase on the weapon then the flush fit or pinky extension on the P365 mag. The Trigger on the 2.0 is smoother and has a cleaner break then the P365, and with the integrated Green Laser make it infinitely more accurate as well. The felt recoil and shootability of the 2.0 is superior to the P365 as well.

If I needed a 12 round Magazine in a concealed pistol that bad, I would carry my Taurus G2, which fits my hand better then the P365 and has Zero striker and trigger spring problems.

S&W should investigate putting Magguts type springs into their stock magazines, for me this cancels out almost every imagined advantage the P365 supposedly has over the Shield 2.0

 

[triaxle]

I have a late date Shield ,3 mags and night sights , picked up ex mags for 20 ea , its been flawless ,points well for me and shoots right on . I see the Sig 365 has been full of problems since it came out . I would never buy one .

 

[dpsk]

P365s built since the June/July time frame have the most recent updates, and aren't reporting the same types of issues as early build models. I just bought a P365 (build date Oct 4th) and have taken it to the range twice now. I have had zero problems shooting about 400 rounds (mixed between FMJ and Underwood Extreme Defender) thru it so far. I plan on putting about 750 rounds thru it before I'll carry mine, vs. my normal 500 rounds with other pistols I've owned. I'll break it down completely and fully inspect it - take it to the range again and then start carrying it. I'm not a Sig fan boy by any stretch - as this is my first Sig firearm of any kind. However, I will defend a bunch about the P365 - including the overall design and certainly the amazing capacity in such a small package. While it's not for everyone, it fits my hands perfectly - almost as if Sig used molding clay when designing the grip. My previous sub compact carry pistols are - Walther PPKs, Glock 27, Ruger LC9s, Glock 43, S&W M&P 9c, Walther P99c AS, and now the P365. I own all those previous pistols except the Walther PPKs and Ruger LC9s. The easiest to carry by far was the LC9s, but it was brutal to shoot because of it's narrow grip, and the striker tip broke on it after 500 rounds (Ruger did repair it for free - and in a very timely manner). The Walther had stove pipes and FTFs with every magazine. My Glock 27, Walther P99c, and M&P 9c are excellent, but rather chunky to carry with light weight clothes. The Glock 43 conceals very well, but the standard 6+1 leaves a bit to be desired. I had considered a Shield when I ended up buying the G43 - as it's an excellent pistol as well. I went with the Glock because I have a few other Glocks in my collection - and I typically shoot them better than the M&P line (of which I've shot quite a few). So, back to the P365. I'll say it has a somewhat deserved black eye based on the first two "iterations" of the pistol. However, I strongly feel that this third iteration has taken care of those early issues, and I'll remind EVERYONE that other famous designs have also suffered problems when they were first released. To close, if you're comfortable with your Shield - keep it and use it. However, I wouldn't rule out other designs if you're interested. It's your money and your choice in the end...

PS: I WOULDN'T trust using magguts in a magazine used for self defense purposes. Their reliability has had some issues as well.

 

[mauser9]

Wow good to know. Years back it seemed like Sig was all top shelf. But then the Model 225 seemed like the gun my friends raved about.

 

[LAA]

I own two Shields, and now two current build 365s (Sept & Oct.). They've been flawless. Before buying these two Sigs, I first read about them here on this forum. Then I researched all of the early comments regarding teething problems, and fixes.


Felt confident enough to buy one, just like I did with the Shield 45 ACP on it's initial release. My wife liked the 365 so much, that she wanted to shoot one too. Her other favorite is the Glock 43.

P.S. -- I still think very highly of my 45 ACP Shield, and take it to the ranges regularly. As to the 9mm Shield, I do like the capacity of the 12 round 365, which is actually a bit shorter than the extended mag for the Shield.

 

[Flyingfool]

Again I hear of magguts problems by someone who doesn’t appear to have used them or actually experienced a problem.

Almost every single person erson who has reported using the newer z spring maggits have been basically flawless. So I would like to hear of ACTUAL real and substantiated problems with magguts shield mags.

 

[BigSky!]

With the Magguts 9+1 flush fit in the weapon you are only giving up 1 round of ammo and still having the concealability , and even a better purchase on the weapon then the flush fit or pinky extension on the P365 mag.

This is 100% absolutely wrong. Oh wait, unless you are talking about how it fits your hand and not others'. For me, even though I carry a Shield, I get a much better purchase with the P365.

 

[Horn]

How a pistol feels in my hand is pointless relative how it may fit some one else. I think it's important however.
I have my Shield and my P365. I find the P365_in my hand's weight seems to be in one centralized location__not top,front or any place else. Of all the handguns I've fired, duty and personal has one felt so perfect relative weight location. Think holding a solid lead hand ball.
Sig Sauer design engineers have obviously put a lot of thought in this pistol's design. They did a lot more than "design a magazine and then design the pistol around it". I know many and Sig touts the mag capacity.
My other four pistols (other than my P320) have less capacity and that effects my decision to carry not one bit. In a SD situation in the one second you have in the decision process....well all those extra mags that's a concern of many .....same. If it happens it's over in two seconds. Been there and done it. I'm keeping my Shield too. Both of these are fine pistols.
Stay safe
Poli Viejo

 

[Chazman1946]

P365s built since the June/July time frame have the most recent updates, and aren't reporting the same types of issues as early build models. I just bought a P365 (build date Oct 4th) and have taken it to the range twice now. I have had zero problems shooting about 400 rounds (mixed between FMJ and Underwood Extreme Defender) thru it so far. I plan on putting about 750 rounds thru it before I'll carry mine, vs. my normal 500 rounds with other pistols I've owned. I'll break it down completely and fully inspect it - take it to the range again and then start carrying it. I'm not a Sig fan boy by any stretch - as this is my first Sig firearm of any kind. However, I will defend a bunch about the P365 - including the overall design and certainly the amazing capacity in such a small package. While it's not for everyone, it fits my hands perfectly - almost as if Sig used molding clay when designing the grip. My previous sub compact carry pistols are - Walther PPKs, Glock 27, Ruger LC9s, Glock 43, S&W M&P 9c, Walther P99c AS, and now the P365. I own all those previous pistols except the Walther PPKs and Ruger LC9s. The easiest to carry by far was the LC9s, but it was brutal to shoot because of it's narrow grip, and the striker tip broke on it after 500 rounds (Ruger did repair it for free - and in a very timely manner). The Walther had stove pipes and FTFs with every magazine. My Glock 27, Walther P99c, and M&P 9c are excellent, but rather chunky to carry with light weight clothes. The Glock 43 conceals very well, but the standard 6+1 leaves a bit to be desired. I had considered a Shield when I ended up buying the G43 - as it's an excellent pistol as well. I went with the Glock because I have a few other Glocks in my collection - and I typically shoot them better than the M&P line (of which I've shot quite a few). So, back to the P365. I'll say it has a somewhat deserved black eye based on the first two "iterations" of the pistol. However, I strongly feel that this third iteration has taken care of those early issues, and I'll remind EVERYONE that other famous designs have also suffered problems when they were first released. To close, if you're comfortable with your Shield - keep it and use it. However, I wouldn't rule out other designs if you're interested. It's your money and your choice in the end...

PS: I WOULDN'T trust using magguts in a magazine used for self defense purposes. Their reliability has had some issues as well.

Show us a photo of the spent brass from your P365 without primer drag and I might reconsider this pistol, until then I wouldn't trust my life with it@

 

[serger]

Chazman1946 what is bad about primer drag?

Chazman1946 what is bad about primer drag?

I see it a lot in the range brass when I clean
my local stations. I never thought about it.

FWIW my Gen1 40 S&W Shields have clean
primer strikes. I didn't know to look for a
drag mark. If I had that, what was wrong?

 

[mcap1655]

S&W Shield 2.0 vs Sig Sauer P365, my take!

Left to right. P365. PC Shield. P938

I have 875 flawless rounds though the 365. Thousands of flawless rounds through the shield.

 

[BE Mike]

IMHO, Primer drag was a perceived issue for MAC, but has never to be shown as being an actual cause of any failure in the Sig P 365. Looks like MAC is snake bit! I think the Shield is an excellent pistol. A buddy has a few of them with aftermarket parts (trigger and sights) and they shoot very well. My Sig P 365 has performed superbly for over 1,000 rounds and the trigger pull is exceptional out-of-the-box. It looks like the OP's performed flawlessly as well! The fit of a polymer pistol in the hand is a personal thing and is relevant to the OP.

 

[dpsk]

Show us a photo of the spent brass from your P365 without primer drag and I might reconsider this pistol, until then I wouldn't trust my life with it@

See this...

IMHO, Primer drag was a perceived issue for MAC, but has never to be shown as being an actual cause of any failure in the Sig P 365. Looks like MAC is snake bit! I think the Shield is an excellent pistol. A buddy has a few of them with aftermarket parts (trigger and sights) and they shoot very well. My Sig P 365 has performed superbly for over 1,000 rounds and the trigger pull is exceptional out-of-the-box. It looks like the OP's performed flawlessly as well! The fit of a polymer pistol in the hand is a personal thing and is relevant to the OP.

My Glock 43 has primer drag and it's never been an issue. My P365 has been hit or miss on primer drag (maybe in the order of 60% of the time). Sometimes the brass exhibits it - sometimes it doesn't. Either way the primer drag on mine is minimal.
I'm about as worried about primer drag as I am a meteor destroying the Earth tomorrow.

Having said that, if someone doesn't want to buy the P365 - don't. I'm not telling them they must. However, there's a lot of bad information going on out there in the interweb - don't believe all of it.

 

[tpepper70]

I had to buy a P365 after shooting a friends. Found a used one for a descent price and started shooting. I found it a really great shooter and had no issues thru 850 rounds, but it just didn't mold into my hand like I wanted. It felt good, but not a quick fit. I had never bought a Shield because I always found the grip to be a little too thin for my liking, then I heard about the Hogue beavertail grip. I got a Shield along with a Hogue grip and couldn't be happier. Fits ME perfectly. The P365 is a nice gun, but the Shield works better for me. Isn't it great having SO many different pistols to choose from?

 

[mikesal34744]

S&W Shield 2.0 9mm vs. Sig Sauer P365, I have owned both!


I previously owned a Sig Sauer P365 and found the weapon to be Not Ready for Prime Time. The pistol never fit my hand correctly and naturally pointed correctly, unless I had the 12 round magazine in it.

The still numerous problems unanswered by Sig, , ie broken strikers, broken trigger springs, severe primer strike drag, questioned it's reliability, despite numerous anecdotal assertions from others and mine going through 500 hiccup free rounds.

Was it still a ticking time bomb?

MAC Channel has bought three separate P365s and each one of them a clunker. And this guy actually purchases them of the shelf from gun stores, not using the finely tuned demos sent by Sig and routinely used by the popular Youtube reviewers.

I sold mine because even with a born date of 28 June 2018, it still had severe, very severe striker drag on the primer.

My P365 striker dragged casing next to a case from my G42, showing no striker drag at all!



Spent casing from my S&W Shield 2.0 once again showing ZERO striker drag, dispelling the Sig Fanboy’s assertion that all subcompact pistols have Striker drag, to take the heat off of the P365



This weapon also lacks the integrated green laser, which is a real plus for the 2.0


Sig P365 with 12 Round Mag




S&W Shield 2.0 with integrated Green Laser with Magguts 9+1 installed.




With the Magguts 9+1 flush fit in the weapon you are only giving up 1 round of ammo and still having the concealability , and even a better purchase on the weapon then the flush fit or pinky extension on the P365 mag. The Trigger on the 2.0 is smoother and has a cleaner break then the P365, and with the integrated Green Laser make it infinitely more accurate as well. The felt recoil and shootability of the 2.0 is superior to the P365 as well.

If I needed a 12 round Magazine in a concealed pistol that bad, I would carry my Taurus G2, which fits my hand better then the P365 and has Zero striker and trigger spring problems.

S&W should investigate putting Magguts type springs into their stock magazines, for me this cancels out almost every imagined advantage the P365 supposedly has over the Shield 2.0

No matter how you cut the cake you’re giving up at least 3 rounds. 12 rounds is smaller than the Shield with the mag extender.


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[Chazman1946]

IMHO, Primer drag was a perceived issue for MAC, but has never to be shown as being an actual cause of any failure in the Sig P 365. Looks like MAC is snake bit! I think the Shield is an excellent pistol. A buddy has a few of them with aftermarket parts (trigger and sights) and they shoot very well. My Sig P 365 has performed superbly for over 1,000 rounds and the trigger pull is exceptional out-of-the-box. It looks like the OP's performed flawlessly as well! The fit of a polymer pistol in the hand is a personal thing and is relevant to the OP.

If I am not mistaken, of the three P365s MAC has purchased, one had a broken striker, the 2nd a broken trigger, and the third the trigger reset spring sticking out into the mag well.

youtube mac channel - Bing video

 

[Chazman1946]

No matter how you cut the cake you’re giving up at least 3 rounds. 12 rounds is smaller than the Shield with the mag extender.


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if extra rounds was the only criteria, I would carry my Walther PPQ M2

 

[Chazman1946]

I had to buy a P365 after shooting a friends. Found a used one for a descent price and started shooting. I found it a really great shooter and had no issues thru 850 rounds, but it just didn't mold into my hand like I wanted. It felt good, but not a quick fit. I had never bought a Shield because I always found the grip to be a little too thin for my liking, then I heard about the Hogue beavertail grip. I got a Shield along with a Hogue grip and couldn't be happier. Fits ME perfectly. The P365 is a nice gun, but the Shield works better for me. Isn't it great having SO many different pistols to choose from?

The fit in my hand is exactly as you describe, just never came up on target naturally like my Glocks, Rugers or Walthers.

 

[Macinaw]

How is the primer drag comparison of the 9mm and .380 equal? Please educate me!

 

[LAA]

The fit in my hand is exactly as you describe, just never came up on target naturally like my Glocks, Rugers or Walthers.

I never got use to the new Glock 43 (a few years back), but my wife took to it very quickly, and adopted it. She's a great shot with it too. My 45 Shield, as well as the 365 just felt right, and were immediately hitting where I pointed. It's one of those cases of being very pleased with the first shots. My wife still hasn't formed a real opinion between the Glock and the 365. She's just so use to the Glock.