S&W Victory model serial number lookup
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Hi guys, just joined the forum. I recently inherited a 38 special ctg 4" barrel. serial # is V 505876. This gun has no lanyard loop or hole. No stamping on the top plate, it does not have the original grips. Did they sell a civilian model of this gun?
DWalt
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That SN would have probably shipped from the factory in very early 1944. There were numerous examples of .38 S&W Special Victory revolvers from WWII which are found unmarked. Most of those were purchased through the Defense Supply Corporation (DSC) for non-military use such as allocation to defense plant security guard use or for civil law enforcement personnel. But there were also other unmarked revolvers made for issue to the OSS or the U. S. Maritime Commission. All wartime Victories that I am aware of did have lanyard swivels on the butt. However, sometimes the swivel has been removed and the hole in the butt for the swivel will be found plugged. A factory letter would be required to establish where yours was first sent.
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It's nice looking, but the original finish was not blued but a dull phosphate. And the grips are not original. While it is probably an excellent shooter, being non-original it has little value to a collector.
mr-mom
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I recently received, from a relative, a Victory Model SN V645122. It is a 4", blue finish, lanyard hole in the butt, with no other distinguishing marks that I have identified. The "V" in the serial number on the butt is separated from the actual number by approximately 3/4". Can you give me an approximate ship date?
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Dave
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I recently received, from a relative, a Victory Model SN V645122. It is a 4", blue finish, lanyard hole in the butt, with no other distinguishing marks that I have identified. The "V" in the serial number on the butt is separated from the actual number by approximately 3/4". Can you give me an approximate ship date?
Thank you
Dave
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DWalt
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Likely July or August 1944.
mr-mom
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Thank you for your prompt response!
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I would like as much info on this Victory as possible. I am sending pics as well with markings and numbers to the email you posted earlier. 4", US Property GHD, V715722, P, 38 S&W Special CTG,
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Email reply with info sent to you. I hope that it is helpful to you.
I have a chance to trade for a Victory model. What I am wondering if any Victory models shipped with a nickle finish? This one is a nickle finish. I've only seen the pics so can't say anything else about it except ser# V5630XX, flaming bomb stamp and he says it is 38 special caliber.
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DWalt
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No. Someone had it nickeled. I'd avoid unless at a good price, maybe $300 or less, purely as a shooter.
grampagunz
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I recently bought a 38 S&W 2" barrel Victory revolver. Serial number is v143595 on butt, rear face of cylinder and rear of yoke seen through cylinder hole. No lanyard in open hole. Finish is parkerized or similar. Marked "United States Property on left top strap. Previous owner had ejector rod replaced by S&W. Stamped BNP beneath a crown between front of cylinder and barrel and at rear of each cylinder flute. Left side of frame has crossed swords and H B 2. W.E and flaming bomb on butt as well as the letter p. I assume the barrel has been changed as it has no markings other than 95 on bottom above ejector rod. Non standard checkered plastic diamond grips. Can you provide any info on this old beauty?
I recently bought a 38 S&W 2" barrel Victory revolver. Serial number is v143595 on butt, rear face of cylinder and rear of yoke seen through cylinder hole. No lanyard in open hole. Finish is parkerized or similar. Marked "United States Property on left top strap. Previous owner had ejector rod replaced by S&W. Stamped BNP beneath a crown between front of cylinder and barrel and at rear of each cylinder flute. Left side of frame has crossed swords and H B 2. W.E and flaming bomb on butt as well as the letter p. I assume the barrel has been changed as it has no markings other than 95 on bottom above ejector rod. Non standard checkered plastic diamond grips. Can you provide any info on this old beauty?
DWalt
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Likely March-April 1944
DWalt
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Probably from about November 1942. It sounds very much like a chopped .38/200 BSR, having a 2" barrel as you describe. They didn't come that way from the factory.
Immense numbers of surplus S&W .38/200 revolvers were imported in the 1950s and 1960s and "chopped and bored" for better marketability in the USA, where they were sold mail order at prices in the $30 range. Barrels were cut off to 2" and 3" lengths, .38 S&W chambers were bored out to accept .38 Special cartridges, they were re-finished or plated, and replacement grips added (any or all of those atrocities). Consequently, they have no collector value, and are worth only whatever someone will pay for a shooter.
The BNP markings were proof markings applied in England prior to release by the British government for civilian sale. "United States Property" (or later "U. S. Property") topstrap stampings on these indicated Lend-Lease supply to allied countries, mainly the British Commonwealth.
grampagunz
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Thank you for the information. This one hasn't been rebored as it won't accept 38 specials. I only paid shooter price but just couldn't let it get away as it feels so good in hand. Should be a great way to burn up some old ammo. I thank you for your expertise.
mr-mom
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Linda:
I only had the Victory in my hands for a short time and did not notice a US Property marking. Will have it back again this weekend and will check it over more carefully.
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DSC gun?
I also lucked into a Victory model. My father in law was an employee of Chevron up until 2000. By his recollection he purchased this revolver from an old inventory held by their security division. The inventory was carried from the days of Standard oil. The gun is in unfired condition. it has some minor finish damage due to the nails coming loose in the box and floating around in the box. It's serial is V620342. The numbers match on the bottom of the barrel, back of cylinder and butt of gun. Just guessing by responses in the thread this would mean April-May 1944.
It came in the plywood box shown as well as a complement of cartridges and oil. I'd guess from reading the thread that it is a DSC gun as there are no US property markings or armorers marks indicating it was inventoried. I wonder about the box as it was noted elsewhere on the thread that the guns shipped in cardboard boxes? I'm curious as to value as well. My father in law thinks he paid in the neighborhood of $30 in the 1980s. Should I spend the money to get the authenticity letter?
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I also lucked into a Victory model. My father in law was an employee of Chevron up until 2000. By his recollection he purchased this revolver from an old inventory held by their security division. The inventory was carried from the days of Standard oil. The gun is in unfired condition. it has some minor finish damage due to the nails coming loose in the box and floating around in the box. It's serial is V620342. The numbers match on the bottom of the barrel, back of cylinder and butt of gun. Just guessing by responses in the thread this would mean April-May 1944.
It came in the plywood box shown as well as a complement of cartridges and oil. I'd guess from reading the thread that it is a DSC gun as there are no US property markings or armorers marks indicating it was inventoried. I wonder about the box as it was noted elsewhere on the thread that the guns shipped in cardboard boxes? I'm curious as to value as well. My father in law thinks he paid in the neighborhood of $30 in the 1980s. Should I spend the money to get the authenticity letter?
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DWalt
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Yours is probably more like June-July 1944.
I think I'd definitely get a letter. I didn't know any DSC guns were shipped in plywood boxes, and I suspect the box origin is elsewhere. But it's a great revolver.
I think I'd definitely get a letter. I didn't know any DSC guns were shipped in plywood boxes, and I suspect the box origin is elsewhere. But it's a great revolver.
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Thank you very much! I send you this pic, Can you help? Regards, Andrew.
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All sorts of things got stamped on Victories, so it could be anything. Probably someone's initials, crudely applied. Maybe someone else can recognize it.
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I hope i didn't make a mistake
Good Morning,
I just purchased this gun from a local individual. The only thing I knew was that it was a S&W and had been refinished. I then went home and did a bit of online research and that led me here. So, I joined the forum and am now asking the questions I should have asked before I bought the gun. I know maybe someday I will learn. From what I can determine it is a .38 s&w k frame victory model. I have no idea of the age. It seems that it came "Parkerized" and this one has been blued at some point. the hammer and trigger have been jeweled and a nice rib has been added to the barrel. It has a five inch barrel and all of the serial numbers match. The grips look like they are not the original ones although they are s&w. It has no ordinance or US Property marks that I can detect. It does have the three P proof marks. ONe under the barrel, one on the end of the cyinder and one on the left side plate near the top. It is serial number V 654025. My question is how bad does the alterations hurt the value? Is ther a way to determine wher the alterations were done? I will try to post some pictures. Thank you for your patience and interest.
Regards,
Tim
Good Morning,
I just purchased this gun from a local individual. The only thing I knew was that it was a S&W and had been refinished. I then went home and did a bit of online research and that led me here. So, I joined the forum and am now asking the questions I should have asked before I bought the gun. I know maybe someday I will learn. From what I can determine it is a .38 s&w k frame victory model. I have no idea of the age. It seems that it came "Parkerized" and this one has been blued at some point. the hammer and trigger have been jeweled and a nice rib has been added to the barrel. It has a five inch barrel and all of the serial numbers match. The grips look like they are not the original ones although they are s&w. It has no ordinance or US Property marks that I can detect. It does have the three P proof marks. ONe under the barrel, one on the end of the cyinder and one on the left side plate near the top. It is serial number V 654025. My question is how bad does the alterations hurt the value? Is ther a way to determine wher the alterations were done? I will try to post some pictures. Thank you for your patience and interest.
Regards,
Tim
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DWalt
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It's from mid-1944. Is the barrel marked .38 S&W or .38 S&W Special? Obviously, it's a highly modified Victory, and if originally in .38 S&W, its chambers may have been bored to accept .38 Special. In any event, it has no collector value, only as a shooter, which might be $200-$300. That's an unusually high front sight. If you aim for some bad guy's chest, you'll probably hit him in the foot.
The grips are of the type used by S&W in the 1930s.
The grips are of the type used by S&W in the 1930s.
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The Barrel is marked 38 S&W. Thank you for your response.
Any info on Model 10?
In going through some of my father's stuff I found a Model 10 Victory .38 in very nice condition. Can anyone give me any information about it? The serial number on the bottom of the handle is V 416418. There is also a "55" impressed into the wood on the bottom of the handle.
In going through some of my father's stuff I found a Model 10 Victory .38 in very nice condition. Can anyone give me any information about it? The serial number on the bottom of the handle is V 416418. There is also a "55" impressed into the wood on the bottom of the handle.
Thanks for the reply. It is a .38. It is at my parents house so I don't have immediate access to it to answer too many detailed questions. I took some pictures of it and I will try to post them here. Anything else you can tell me about it would be greatly appreciated.
