S & W Vs. Colt

Both top-drawer, but different.

It's like comparing Halle Berry to Charlize Theron. Both are beautiful, but way different. Let's look at the differences between the Python and the Model 27.

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First, the Python. The lockwork is an anachronism, using a complex system powered mostly by flat springs, and few gunsmiths really understand it well enough to work on it these days, since it was discontinued.

The cylinder rotates to the right rather than the left, which means that the hand actually pushes the cylinder into the frame, rather than out of it. Also, the hand maintains pressure on the cylinder throughout the firing cycle. You can check this for yourself. With the gun unloaded, pull the trigger all the way through; maintain pressure on the trigger. Then see if you can wiggle the cylinder manually. You can't. It's locked up like a bank vault. Properly fitted, the alignment is well nigh perfect.

The Python was, in its heyday, hand-fitted. In effect, each revolver was given a custom trigger job. The parts operated as smoothly as running your oiled finger over a glass plate.

The Python stacks at the end of the DA trigger pull. This means that if you wish, you can use the DA stack to warn you of the impending release of the hammer, and in effect, letting you squeeze that last fraction of an inch off separately, much like a SA letoff.

The action will demand maintenance after a lot of use; the comment about few gunsmiths being qualified to work on it applies.

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Now, the Smith Model 27. I've often called it the "crown jewel" of the S&W lineup. It's finely finished, cosmetically. I love the checkering on the topstrap. The DA action is nothing to write home about, but any good gunsmith can tune it to rival the Python; all it needs is a little careful attention and polishing.

The Smith locks up at three places, rather than the two of the Python. The ejector rod locks into a stud under the barrel. The cylinder rotates to the left; the hand tends to push the cylinder out of its hole in the frame. The action is simpler than that of the Colt, and it's easier to tune. The DA pull does not stack, so the moment of letoff in a DA pull will not be "announced." Some view this as an advantage. More "quick fire" records have been set with the Smith action than the Colt - think Ed McGivern here. Pull the trigger all the way through on a Smith, hold it, and then try to wiggle-rotate the cylinder. Chances are, it will wiggle. Not much, but there will be some slop. The Model 27 is a large frame gun, heavier than the medium-frame Python. It's bulkier, but probably easier to handle in recoil because of its weight.

These are the major differences. Both guns are superb .357 Magnum revolvers. They are just different. I own both and like them both, just like if I were 40 years younger and single, I'd like to date both Halle and Charlize...;)

John
 
Ford, Chevy, and Dodge............,which one works for you.............I had a 1968 Python. Great gun. Very smooth. Have/had many Smith's. Great guns. Very smooth. Is a red head or a brunette the best woman? Maybe a blonde? See where this is going...........Almost forgot, Which is the best beer? :)
Dodge, Smith and Wesson, redheads, Miller Genuine Draft.
 
I am not sure why you would want to lock it down
I am getting some popcorn and a beer

I am fortunate I have them both but my best DA is my Colt Trooper 22LR It was made on another planet

Hank
 
Many years ago, when police officers in my department bought their own revolvers, the range officers said that 90% of the guns on the firing line were Smiths and 90% of the malfunctions were Colts. The action of the Python and other older Colts is very smooth but prone to going out of time and striking the primer off center. If you watch closely while slowly pulling the trigger double action, the cylinder will lock before the hammer falls on a Smith and not on the Colt.

I dont know if any of you watch "The Walking Dead", but one of the things that has always bothered me about it was that the lead character Rick (the former cop) always carries a 6" Python.

Seems odd to me that it has not gone out of time or broke yet. Would be very fitting if he dies at the hands of a walker because he chose Colt instead of Smith...

Ditch that python for a 686 or a 627
 
Argued many times.

Most shooters prefer the Smith trigger feel, but the Python was clearly the superior gun in fit and finish.
 
Lots of Python hate on this forum (as I'd expect) but I like the things. In my experience they are not nearly as fickle as their reputation, I've got a lot of rounds through a couple of mine and both timing and endshake are still in check. I think the Python's are finished better; even better than my Pre-29's and 27's. The bluing is more uniform and you can tell more time was spent on polishing. I like the Colt DA a lot, but in SA it feels the same (to me) as any of my older Smith's. While I absolutely love the "pre" S&W's I also love the Colt's. They're all good guns, and if you have the means I'd recommend buying both just to see for yourself. The Python's definitely get more admiration at the range!
 
I think the S&W action is superior and the S&W revolvers are more elegant looking across the entire product line (19, 27, 29, etc) than anything Colt ever produced. I find the Python, Trooper and Diamondback revolvers to be clunky looking and the double action trigger lacking. As for fit and finish, I would say it's a draw. Colt polishing & bluing is gorgeous but S&W was every bit their match in the heyday. JMHO
 
My big brother .. who I loved dearly loved bourbon and handguns. He thought Colt was THE gun, and Old Fitz was THE bourbon..... Shook his head about my Smiths .. and flat out told me he wouldn't use my Jim Beam as lighter fluid.
 
A bunch of folks here who have gone all "new age" on us . . . if you don't like their personal favorites you're a "hater" :rolleyes:, a word in use today portending more commonization and decline of the language. Be that as it may, people are different and have their reasons for their favorites. I don't hate Pythons, never have, and have owned a half dozen through the years. I just find the S&W to work better for the way I use it and a better tool for the job. And I could afford two or three really nice S&W's for what the Pythons go for these days. The Python's claim to fame was there always was more hand fitting and attention to the small details that production S&W's usually never got. The reality is if someone gets all gushy over the finer things in life they do their best to convince themselves more than anyone else that what they pay more for must obviously be superior. If your handguns are art as well as tools to you then there is much to recommend the Colt. If you prize value and utility the S&W takes the edge. I stand by my comments in the earlier post about the practical efficacy of the S&W timing/locking sequence of the trigger cocking action when applied to accurate target shooting under time constraints.

But those wringing their hands over "Python hate" and wondering why this weighty thread isn't being locked before it warps the fabric of the universe . . . really? :rolleyes:
 
I like them both. I have more SW 's than Colts. But my all time favorite is my Colt Lawman MK III 2" .357. My favorite SW is a 3" model 10. I like them both.



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I owned a beautiful 8 inch Royal blue Python for several years. The finish and overall feel of that Python was beyond reproach. It was extremely accurate to boot. I sold it for a fairly large profit, though I wish I still had it. That said, today's prices are just astronomical and my S&W model 27's and 586/686's shoot every bit as well, so no Python envy for me.
 
A bunch of folks here who have gone all "new age" on us . . . if you don't like their personal favorites you're a "hater" :rolleyes:, a word in use today portending more commonization and decline of the language. Be that as it may, people are different and have their reasons for their favorites. I don't hate Pythons, never have, and have owned a half dozen through the years. I just find the S&W to work better for the way I use it and a better tool for the job. And I could afford two or three really nice S&W's for what the Pythons go for these days. The Python's claim to fame was there always was more hand fitting and attention to the small details that production S&W's usually never got. The reality is if someone gets all gushy over the finer things in life they do their best to convince themselves more than anyone else that what they pay more for must obviously be superior. If your handguns are art as well as tools to you then there is much to recommend the Colt. If you prize value and utility the S&W takes the edge. I stand by my comments in the earlier post about the practical efficacy of the S&W timing/locking sequence of the trigger cocking action when applied to accurate target shooting under time constraints.

But those wringing their hands over "Python hate" and wondering why this weighty thread isn't being locked before it warps the fabric of the universe . . . really? :rolleyes:

Since your post was obviously directed at me, I'll take the time to point out some misconceptions. I'm definitely not "wringing my hands" :p Also, my post did not use the word "hater" (nor did anybody else, except for you). If you're going to subtly insult someone you better check (and doublecheck) that you're getting your facts right :D
 
id like to be able to afford a colt, so i could find out for my self...but then my smith$wessons are still better than i am, so what would be the point?
 
No Colt hate here as I've owned several snakes over the years, with the python being at the top of the heap in Colt DA revolvers.
I just prefer Smiths.
I do wish I still had the Colts I've owned so I could sell them again at today's current prices. I have a void that I'd swap my only remaining pony (used 2" lawman Mk3) for a similar condition 3-4" N-frame in 357
(27, 28, 627)
 
Blondes and brunettes. Both are good guns. Colts feel awkward to me. I never liked them. A Colt man will just say, "Your hand only knows how to hold an S&W." He is probably right. Good shooting can be done with either.
 
The S&W double action pull can be staged, and with a little practice and maybe some minor action work, is not much different than a single action pull. This cannot be done with Colt. As every double action Colt I've ever owned has had timing issues, I believe the S&W to be a superior double action revolver.
 
But those wringing their hands over "Python hate" and wondering why this weighty thread isn't being locked before it warps the fabric of the universe . . . really? :rolleyes:

Let me ask you this... What do you feel adds more to the discussion? Discussing the actual mechanical aspects of Colt revolvers and relating unbiased personal experiences with them or repeating the same tired old myths we've heard on the Interweb ad nauseam?

I'm not accusing you of such, but was just curious how many mislead opinions based on bad information and unsubstantiated anecdotes it'll take before a moderator pulls the plug on this thread. In other words, where do we draw the line?
 
i have any number of colts and love em all..have carried both colt and S&W as a duty gun for years....both in my estimation are superior firearms
 
My initial comment that this thread will probably get locked was for fear that passions might overcome some of us,
and lead two perfectly nice guys to argue about two perfectly good guns.
I agree the Colt's certainly received more finishing detail.
And not to regurgitate the already stated info but the hand fitted mechanics of the Colt make it an intricate and very well built firearm.
Does that make it worth the price they go for?
Not in my opinion but that's not what is important.
I have shot both and both performed to my expectations.
But my expectations were for a very high quality revolver which is what you get with a 27, so why pay more?
 
My Colt 4" Python is a Safe Queen and just a joy to fondle. My 4" 686
is as nice to shoot and every bit as accurate, but sexy belongs to the blued Python.
 
Smith & Wesson and Colt Mfg. have both produced well designed, beautifully executed, accurate and durable firearms for well over a century. Both are worthy of collecting and shooting. The whole Colt Vs. S&W argument is a lot like the premium Bourbon Vs. premium Scotch argument. I like them both and can't afford as much of either as I really desire!

Hmm, I believe I'll have a snifter of Bourbon:D
 
for all those worried they can't get their pythons fixed, the colt factory is the place and will be for the forseeable future. for the person that says he has never seen a colt that wasn't out of time, you do realize that colts don't lock up at the same time smiths do don' you. if not,make a pilgramage to my place and i can show you a bunch of them that work like they are supposed to and after shooting them for over 40yrs, i don't have any trouble with the triggers either.i have always said if you can shoot the colts the smiths are easy.
 
Both brands make wonderful examples. Enjoy them, as nothing made today comes close imo.
 
4" and/or 6" blue Pythons are on my grail list. To me, the Python is simply a very beautiful gun. Not as graceful as a 4" std barrel ('pencil barrel') Model 10, but still stunning to my eye. It might not be my 'go to war' revolver, but looks like it would be great fun at the range.
Actually, I've also had both Taurus and Rossi revolvers that I liked.
 
I own a pre-war .38 Spl Colt Officer Model Target Heavy Barrel (mfd. 1941) and a 4 screw S&W K-38 Heavy Target Masterpiece (mfd. 1955/56). Both are in excellent condition and have very nice action jobs.

A couple months ago I took them to the range and compared them. Now I am not a competitive shooter and I was using plain old Winchester 158 grain LRN whitebox ammo. I fired them both DA and SA. I found that I was a little more accurate in DA with the K-38, but when shooting SA I cleaned up with the Colt OM - especially at the 25 yard line on the steel plates. I also found that cocking the Colt was easier than the Smith.

Both revolvers fit in my hand with ease and I liked the balance of both models. I didn't really find that either model had superior sights (in my opinion). I like to stage when shooting DA and in this case it was easier to stage with the Smith than the Colt. The Colt OM had such a fine DA action that it was harder to stage it.

They both delivered outstanding groups.

They're both keepers. Glad I spent the money. They were worth it.
 
Downside to the Python for me is in a hurried reload. The extractor rod just doesn't have as much travel as a S&W revolver does. So cases get hung up more often.

That said, this stainless 4" is one of my more favored full size carry guns:

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Mostly because of the sights!

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The action isn't bad- after lots of work! (Including a new firing pin made from beryllium copper to replace the one that broke less than a year after purchase.) And in actual fact I don't recall ever being all that impressed with the primo Colt's factory action. Either SA or DA. In examples dating from the late '60s forward. Never have understood the rave reviews...

As for being "hammer tough" and excellent in the action department, the old 4" 686 CS-1 has been outstanding. It's had a blue million rounds out of it- one chamber is a little short timed now, but isn't causing problems. Other than that, I just wish it had night sights.
It's been run really hard, cleaned not much, and has won it's share of matches at Ft. Benning.

(No photo of it that I can find, sorry!)

The Colt would go before the 686...
 
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